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    Essentials Forms: Jing Yao or Zhai Yao

    Hello mantis friends,

    I have not learned them yet. I am an 8 step practitioner and my sifu tells me that the essential forms" are referred to as "Jing Yao" in Ba Bu Tang Lang(ie: Jing translates to "essense"), but I have read that the "essential forms" in other families are "Zhai Yao".

    Sifu then tells me that there are 6 Jing Yao(essential forms) and the I-Ching states that things must match so therefore there are also 6 Zhai Yao(6 +6=12).

    Does this seem reasonable?

    Thank you,
    LTN

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    I've always heard 8 step people call the forms Zhai Yao too......

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaterthanNever View Post
    Hello mantis friends,

    I have not learned them yet. I am an 8 step practitioner and my sifu tells me that the essential forms" are referred to as "Jing Yao" in Ba Bu Tang Lang(ie: Jing translates to "essense"), but I have read that the "essential forms" in other families are "Zhai Yao".

    Sifu then tells me that there are 6 Jing Yao(essential forms) and the I-Ching states that things must match so therefore there are also 6 Zhai Yao(6 +6=12).

    Does this seem reasonable?

    Thank you,
    LTN
    Who is your sifu?

    I have only hear of the Babu Tanglangquan "Essentials" referred to as Zhai Yao.
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    My late teacher in Taiwan had learned his 8 Step from Wei Xiao-Tang, and he always referred to them as Zhai Yao. Of the Zhai Yao forms, I only learned the 2nd road, but that was a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaterthanNever View Post
    there are 6 Zhai Yao forms ...
    This is a biggest joke about the mantis system. The term "Zhai Yao" means the "final summary". It make sense to create a single form as the "final summary". It makes no sense to create 6 forms as the "final summary". If you have 6 "final summary" forms, you will need another "final final summary" form to summary all 6 "final summary" forms.

    To have 6 graduation ceremonies makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaterthanNever View Post
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    Sifu then tells me that there are 6 Jing Yao(essential forms) and the I-Ching states that things must match so therefore there are also 6 Zhai Yao(6 +6=12).

    Does this seem reasonable?
    Yes, doing things because the Yijing says so is completely reasonable.
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    I dont see how Zhai Yao is a joke.... its a series of 6 forms..... it doesnt have anything to do with having 6 graduation ceremonies, its just divided into 6 parts for the convenience of practice and teaching

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    "Yes, doing things because the Yijing says so is completely reasonable."

    You are taking what I say out of context. I said nothing about 'doing something" according to what the I-Ching says. My comment about "does this seem reasonable" is related to whether or not what the I-Ching says makes sense in terms of numbers being balanced.


    Re: questioning whether what the I-Ching states about a given situation as being unreasonable or not. I do not rise and fall on what the text says but you *are* aware I take it that many people think that the I-Ching is quite "reasonable".

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