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    Knee replacements and TCM herbs

    I am having a knee replacement first week of December. Does anyone know of this and what herbs/ formulas were used? it seems everything I search comes to a " you have to pay for the study" (see link) I found lots of accupuncter articles, but I am just curious abut herbs.

    I know that Yunnan baiyao was used in A'stan, but they found out that there was to much clotting. i don't know what protocols were used ie: how much were they given. Was there to much Yunnan Baiyao used or if it was a interaction with something else they were given.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23602417


    Thanks

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    You really did not ask a question.

    Did you mean to ask, what formulas are used post surgery to help you heal faster?

    There are many internal formulas you can use to help speed healing.

    When you wounds have closed and sutures have been removed and the skin is intact you can then use a strong Dit Da Jow to help heal the local area and increase circulation which will speed the healing process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ride57 View Post
    I am having a knee replacement first week of December. Does anyone know of this and what herbs/ formulas were used? it seems everything I search comes to a " you have to pay for the study" (see link) I found lots of accupuncter articles, but I am just curious abut herbs.

    I know that Yunnan baiyao was used in A'stan, but they found out that there was to much clotting. i don't know what protocols were used ie: how much were they given. Was there to much Yunnan Baiyao used or if it was a interaction with something else they were given.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23602417


    Thanks
    Per any surgery, follow the protocol of the allopathic method and when that initial safety period has passed then contact the specialist and see if it is feasible that yunnan baiyao or similar product can be used as adjunct therapy to "allow for better healing" (my best choice of words that I can find here). One has to keep in mind ADME /external use(s) of drug medication with TCM/Ayurvedic and other products can and will produce adverse effects depending on the class of drug(s) used.

    My suggestion is to do google-fu with the article info and see if you can get a pdf or similar article extract. Obviously all Yunnan baiyao is not equal despite sharing the same name so due diligence is of utmost importance. Why not do a google seach of Yunnan baiyao of different companies and see what you find and compare with article info!

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    Hi, thanks, My searches kept going to places I needed to pay for abstracts.

    "Did you mean to ask, what formulas are used post surgery to help you heal faster? "

    yes this

    I have the Iron Lotus Society formula books and the Shaolin (blue book) of formulas.

    I was just curious if anyone had known someone who had a knee replacement and took say "brand X bone formula" or "Brand Y tendon sinew formula"

    Thanks again

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    Greetings ride57,

    I do not know how jacked up your knee is, you can do meditation in the stretch period of time before, as well as post surgery. Reiki has been known to accelerate the process of healing.

    If you are looking for that "one last shot" in an attempt to avoid surgery altogether (that is the vibe that I am getting from you), maybe you should try beef tendon. Also, look into MSM. Exercises to strengthen the hamstrings do help stabilize the knee. You should also do research on standing meditation in the time you have before surgery. Standing meditation puts the body into a type of stasis (while the posture is held) that allows for healing to take place (I do not now if you can do this). A similar type of stasis is being done in the hospitals nowadays. It is called a medically induced coma. This sharing is from personal experience with standing meditation.

    Good Luck to you,

    mickey

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    micky, I am bone on bone on the left knee with torn meniscus on the right. I am having both surgeries at the same time. thanks

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    ride57,

    I said "Whoa!" four times reading your response. I hope you recover fully.

    mickey

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    Quote Originally Posted by mawali View Post
    Per any surgery, follow the protocol of the allopathic method and when that initial safety period has passed then contact the specialist and see if it is feasible that yunnan baiyao or similar product can be used as adjunct therapy to "allow for better healing" (my best choice of words that I can find here). One has to keep in mind ADME /external use(s) of drug medication with TCM/Ayurvedic and other products can and will produce adverse effects depending on the class of drug(s) used.

    My suggestion is to do google-fu with the article info and see if you can get a pdf or similar article extract. Obviously all Yunnan baiyao is not equal despite sharing the same name so due diligence is of utmost importance. Why not do a google seach of Yunnan baiyao of different companies and see what you find and compare with article info!
    1. My reference is that not all Yunnan baiyao is made with the same concentration(s) of product (% wise)
    2. Be aware of how drugs interact with each other. Just because you have completed an allopathic drug regimen at 1800 hrs today does not mean that the drug has cleared from your system. Depending on the class of drugs takem, it can take anywhere from 5-30 hrs and more and especially if there is a combination of drugs taken. Then you add a "natural" which you believe to be benign then it causes problems in the form of adverse experiences!

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    Well, I got the Bone Knitting formula (Tom Bisio's) I plan on starting after I get back from the hospital, which should be a day or two. I need to see what antibiotics and research, maybe start the herbs afterwards.

    The Tu bie chong was expensive.

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    Not long after I got out of surgery:



    I got up to 90deg that day First day after surgery. that was a serious 8/10



    Stitches out today.Almost made it to 90.

    Started my herbs yesterday. Hard part. can't reach foot quite yet

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    Good luck with your recovery!
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    Looks like it's downhill from here, ride57! Don't get too anxious to over do it, that will cost you. Speedy Recovery!

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    Hi all, well, the knee is getting better. the right one is back to normal. The towel stretches hurt. Yes know about those. When I got home from the hospital I took the Die da wan. What a huge pill. then I have been taking 1 spoon of the bone formula a day. (Next up will be a tendon formula) But I put on San Huang San, and Trauma liniment daily. Its hard to massage, well not hard I should say painful.Pt hurts.

    2 days ago I was able to do "8 Pieces of brocade" without having to grab something. (it will be a while for horse stances). I will have to look into walking the circle. I have never taken bagua so it would be new. I am looking into what forms (chigong or other) that I can do, but I think they will all be the same in that there would be required deep stances.

    Anyway here are a couple pics:
    legs on Dec 4th:










    Legs on Dec 15:





    Die da wan pill:


    and my walker. ala Lone Wolf and Cub:


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