Proof that Ninjitsu doesn't work against singular attackers.

[David Jamieson]

The same can be said about your spaghetti theory but this just makes more sense to me

Toda Sankyo Isshin is its ancestor. In the year of Tenbun (1532-1555) Sakagami Taro Kunishige received the Gyokko Ryu ****ojutsu tradition. Toda Sakyo Isshinsai established the Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu as well as the Koto Ryu Koppojutsu and taught it to Momochi Sandayu. (Momochi) taught it within the Iga Ryu Ninjutsu and it lead to Toda Shinryuken (in the last days of the Tokugawa Shogunate). Shinryuken Masamitsu passed away in Meiji 40 at the age of 90 years. Please consult the (listing for) Koto Ryu Koppojutsu.
[Genealogy]: Tozawa Hakuunsai - Tozawa Shosuke - Suzuki Saburo Shigeyoshi...(Six Generations of Suzuki Line Omitted)...Sakagami Goro Katsushige - Sakagami Taro Kunishige (Gyokko ****ojutsu) - Sakagami Kotaro Masahide - Sogyokan - [Sasaki Gendayu Sadayasu (Kishu) - Sasaki Goemon Teruyoshi (Gyokushin Ninpo)] and [Suzuki Taizen Zentaro Chikamasa (Hon Tai Gyokushin Ryu)...(Three Generations Omitted)...Fukao Kakuma Shigeyoshi (Izumo Ryu Koppo)] and [Akimoto Kawauchi Moriyoshi - Uryu Hangan Gikanbo (Gikan Ryu Koppo)...Akimoto Taro Yoshihide] and Toda Sakyo Isshinsai (Koshijutsu, Koppo) - Momochi Sandayu (Tenbun) - Second Generation Momochi Sandayu (Tensho) - Momochi Tanba Yasumitsu (Keicho) - Momochi Taro Saemon...(Four Generations Omitted)...Toda Seiryu Nobutsuna (Kannei) - Toda Fudo Nobuchika (Manji) - Toda Kangoro Nobuyasu (Kanbun) - Toda Eisaburu Nobumasa - Toda Shingoro Masayoshi (Genbun) - Toda Daigoro Chikahide (Meiwa) - Toda Daisaburo Chikashige - Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu - Takamatsu To****sugu - Hatsumi Yoshiaki.

Dude, making a list with a bunch of names does what?
That you cannot comprehend a simple word such as embellishment and instead choose to go on and call the truth "spaghetti theory" just paints you as a troll. Duly noted. I can't be bothered explaining it to you over and over again. I am not concerned with sharing truth with people who don't want it and instead prefer their big blanket of bullshit. Enjoy your blanket I guess?

lol

[wiz cool c]

Please take the time to read my post, or is it just a matter of getting the last word in

Although it has been suggested that Takamatsu Sensei and Watatani Kiyoshi (the primary author) were "friends" - and "confidence between friends" justifies Watatani's portrayal of the ninpo ryu ha as "fabrications" (see below), this cannot be the case. Watatani had his own agenda; the fact that he did not believe in the legitimacy of the ninpo ryu ha is evident in his writings, especially the earlier editions. However, even though a ryu ha is not favorably mentioned in these books, this does not mean that the martial art is not legitimate - only that someone uninvolved in the tradition believed it not to be true. In the Bujinkan, the secret teachings were never written in detail with brush and paper, only transmitted vaguely in cryptic words and by kuden (oral tradition) that only the soke may truly understand. These translations are provided for reference only.

[David Jamieson]

Please take the time to read my post, or is it just a matter of getting the last word in

Although it has been suggested that Takamatsu Sensei and Watatani Kiyoshi (the primary author) were "friends" - and "confidence between friends" justifies Watatani's portrayal of the ninpo ryu ha as "fabrications" (see below), this cannot be the case. Watatani had his own agenda; the fact that he did not believe in the legitimacy of the ninpo ryu ha is evident in his writings, especially the earlier editions. However, even though a ryu ha is not favorably mentioned in these books, this does not mean that the martial art is not legitimate - only that someone uninvolved in the tradition believed it not to be true. In the Bujinkan, the secret teachings were never written in detail with brush and paper, only transmitted vaguely in cryptic words and by kuden (oral tradition) that only the soke may truly understand. These translations are provided for reference only.

No, it's not about the last word and it is most certainly a load to say "only the soke may truly know".
That's rubbish and is a set up so that those who make outrageous claims can avoid being challenged on the veracity of said claims.
Let me divulge a little background. I got into martial arts by my own volition and at my fathers behest when I was 9. I am 50 now.
I have been through so many piles of information regarding samurai culture and rule and have a pretty good grasp of a great deal of it.

The idea that there is a particular school of ninja arts is very modern and if you reflect on the history of what happened, you would see the absurdity of the claims being made. One who makes such claims is not afraid of mixing lies and truth together to get the best result for themselves.

Do you not even question why this one guy is the ONLY guy to make such spurious claims as he is? Not even a little?

[wiz cool c]

If one doesn’t actually train in the system than only words are left to illustrate the point

Togakure RyūNinpo * - Hidden Door School
The oldest of the nine traditions, the techniques and skills of the Togakure Ryu form much of the basis for the Ninjutsu techniques taught in the Bujinkan.
The Togakure Ryu Ninja were required to master 18 forms of Bujutsu (Martial arts) including various punching, throwing and levering techniques making up taijutsu (unarmed combat) along with the arts of Kenpo (swordsmanship), Yari (spear), Naginata (halberd), Bojutsu (staff fighting), and three school secrets, named Sanpo Hiden, which are Shuko (hand claws), Senban Shuriken (throwing daggers), and Shinodake (bamboo tube for breathing under water).

Or pssst ninja are fake

[David Jamieson]

If one doesn’t actually train in the system than only words are left to illustrate the point

Togakure RyūNinpo * - Hidden Door School
The oldest of the nine traditions, the techniques and skills of the Togakure Ryu form much of the basis for the Ninjutsu techniques taught in the Bujinkan.
The Togakure Ryu Ninja were required to master 18 forms of Bujutsu (Martial arts) including various punching, throwing and levering techniques making up taijutsu (unarmed combat) along with the arts of Kenpo (swordsmanship), Yari (spear), Naginata (halberd), Bojutsu (staff fighting), and three school secrets, named Sanpo Hiden, which are Shuko (hand claws), Senban Shuriken (throwing daggers), and Shinodake (bamboo tube for breathing under water).

Or pssst ninja are fake

ninja as an organization? yeah, that is 100% fake.

The arts that are used in this modern made up ninja school? Sure, these are all over the place and none of them are strictly "ninja" arts. It's absurd to even posture that breathing with a snorkle/reed/tube etc is a ninja art form.

Ninja also killed with syphilis in a long game. Is that a secret art they teach at ninja school too? lol contract syphilis then seduce your target an let them rape you, then watch as they slowly rot away and lose their mind over 25 years. That is an actual recorded ninja move. lol

Come on. Read some history and stop eating the Bujinkan tales only. Recognize a hodge podge for what it is and understand history for what it is.

I explained exactly what ninja were. They aren't guys running around in black gis claiming to be ninja, that is for sure.

you could have a whole village of ninja. Basically lower class people who were willing to do dirty deed dirt cheap. NOt some mystical brotherhood or sisterhood with codes of honour etc etc. THat is utterly an outright lie.

But hey, psssst you can believe whatever fairy tales you want to put in your head.

But if you're promoting lies as truth round h'yar, I'm going to call you on it.

[wiz cool c]

If one doesn’t actually train in the system than only words are left to illustrate the point

Gyokko Ryū Kosshijutsu – Jewel Tiger School
Kosshijutsu means "to knock down the enemy with one finger". Koshi could also mean "Backbone", as if the Kosshijutsu is the backbone of martial arts. Togakure Ryu Ninpo Taijutsu, is a distant branch of the Gyokko Ryu Kosshijutsu.
Their is a saying in the Gyokko Ryu: "Bushigokoro wo motte totoshi no nasu", 'the warriors heart is precious, and essential'.
The school specialises in techniques that involve Kosshijutsu (attack against muscles), and ****ojutsu (use of thumbs and fingers). Typical for the Gyokko Ryu are the powerful blocks, and balance taking. They prefer to block, by hitting with the knuckles to the muscles areas.


I don’t think they have any DNA samples though;] I must admit your syphilis and spaghetti theories are pretty convincing, add in the psst ninja are fake and you have a rock hard case.

[Marco]

Interesting, bujinkan budo ninjutsu is very ineffective as far as i am concerned. But the lineage and many schools within the bujinkan budo taijutsu seem to be fraudalent and made up as well .

See the article link below about the questionable lineage of Hatsumi's bujinkan budo and the 9 traditions, also the article speaks about effectiveness of the art:

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"Togakure Ryu History for the Rest of Us,"*
by: Roger Conant*
(posted to*e-budo.com*Sept. 2006)*

http://sustainedreaction.yuku.com/to...I-DID-A-CARLOS