A new wing chun revolution has started in the west

[Wayfaring]

If you use the word "revolution" with those clips as evidence, you invite derision.

All the clips are working with compliant partners. At least Navin and Alan Orr showed something resembling fighting against resistance, for which they deserve respect.

Phil Romero grabbed ponytail guy by the wrists and lifted him up or pushed him away. Someone lets me get those grips on him, he's getting arm dragged, snapped down or headbutted. Push him away and give up those grips? Never. Phil might be awesome at Wing Chun, but those clips give no evidence of that.

Jim Roselando showing that if the guy is all tense he's easy to push, less so if he's relaxed? How revelatory! Show an application against resistance.

Dave McKinnon gave me some sound tactics if someone grabs my arm or fist and starts pushing. Which happens all the time on the mean streets of Sydney. He may be great at WC, but that's not possible to determine from this clip.

Sergio did stuff to neutralise some sycophants' not-too-hard pushes which bear uncanny resemblance to stuff I saw on an old Russian MA VHS tape about 12 years ago. I was begging someone to haul off and punch him in his smug face or double leg him.

Frankly, this stuff looks like basic to intermediate level taiji. From what I've seen on the clips, a half decent judo guy with a bit of boxing defence would murder everyone on these vids except maybe Navin and Alan.

We seem to be getting further away from actual fighting against a resisting opponent and more towards demonstrations, stunts, magic tricks, and "concepts" only understood by the "true initiates" who have had direct contact with "Master Hendrik" ... whereas to those ingrates left in outer darkness they look inconsequential and mostly unrelated to Wing Chun's alleged original purpose ... fighting.

Do I sound aggressive? Yeah. I'm far beyond uncritical acceptance of this stuff from Hendrik Santo and disappointed that people expect me to continue to put up with calling this a "revolution" when it's suspiciously like a latter day version of the Emperor's New Clothes.

This is not the way for Wing Chun to reclaim relevance.

Spot on mate, to use a bit of your lingo

[GlennR]

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On - a different note related by religious fanaticism- over 120 people including school children were
killed in Peshawar Pakistan with a Taliban group claiming "credit".

Read about it last night Joy. I cant comprehend how any man, or woman, could be involved in this. Is there a worse type of atrocity??

"Ideology" & beliefs matter and there are degrees of intensity of beliefs While there is intensity
and conceptions of martyrdom in Shia- the jihadis are generally Sunni. Interesting that the terrorist in Sydney
was originally a Shia who converted to Sunni.

To be honest, i think he used religion as a veil to cover his lunacy. Murdered ex-wife (who was set alight), 40 sexual assault charges, abandoned his first wife & Children in Iran...... the man was just a scumbag

[anerlich]

The Pakistani atrocity was indeed horrible. Children are innocent.

[stonecrusher69]

Well tell hin to use a better choice of words. If he said, "here's how our guys train Hendricks way" then that's fine. I'm sure you would even get feedback, responses etc

But use the word "revolution" and you are suggesting there is something wrong with the old way. Red rag to a bull in my opinion but that's fine wave away...... These revolutionary clips are worth a chuckle on an otherwise dull Tuesday

So what he used the word " Revolution" no reason to act childish. What you may think is in your own head.

[GlennR]

So what he used the word " Revolution" no reason to act childish. What you may think is in your own head.

Who acted childish?
I have an opinion on this whole "new way" that Hendrik has put forward ,and the way he has promoted it, and ill respond to it how i feel.

It is a forum, you do know that?

As i said earlier, i think its all bit of a chuckle, and if you feel so sensitive about peoples opinions then don't read the responses

[LFJ]

So what he used the word " Revolution" no reason to act childish.

Calling it a revolution is childish.

[Wayfaring]

Who cares whether or not someone is acting childish? WTF does that have to do with any "wing chun revolution"? I mean here we have a collection of videos that are from people that are unrelated, and the people in the videos I'm pretty sure aren't consenting to being connected to the other people in the videos.

So I would say yes a revolution has started. A video mashup revolution. Followed by a namecalling revolution. Oh wait. That's not a revolution around here.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Revolution baby !!