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    Graphic violent video

    Warning- stabbing and blood. NO ONE HELPS ! NO ONE. That is the normal human response. The value we place on human life as individuals is low. We would rather intervene on the behalf of 2 dogs fighting. I'm just as guilty.

    What would you do, regardless your art if you found yourself on the bottom with this guy? The time for theory and practice ( few worry of this) is now not then.
    All because one man did not like what another said to him. How he looked at him.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7kbAs-vkdw

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    There's another video from the Philippines that was shared on another, non-MA forum that was even more brutal, if that's possible. In that one, taken from a security camera in a back room at some business, you see the footage pre, during, and post-attack. I believe the victim died in that one.

    It's really impossible for anyone to predict how they would react. In that other forum, some posters were Monday morning quarterbacking, saying the victim should have done this, should have done that. Some others would say, "That's why I always carry a gun! I will not be a victim!" As if having a CCW permit and a firearm is some kind of talisman that automatically protects the carrier. Truth is, even the best fighters can be caught by surprise at the right/wrong time/situation.

    When it comes to dealing with knives, you can also be on top and still end up the loser. In my area, there were two incidents that come to mind. In one, a collegiate wrestling champion/world class wakeboarder was drunk and pulled a guy out of a car, because the guy made a pass at his girlfriend. This wrestler had supposedly never lost any of the street fights he'd been in before. He took the guy down, and as he was on him from behind, the guy pulled out a knife and stabbed backward once, amazingly severing the wrestler's aorta. This incident was also featured on an episode of the true-crime series Forensic Files.

    In another indicent, a guy who trained MMA got into a fight at a bar over another stupid reason. They were thrown outside, and decided to continue in the parking lot. The MMA guy reportedly took the other guy to the asphalt and proceded to mount him, and the other guy stabbed him over a dozen times from underneath with a "pocket knife" that he probably had opened in his hand, unseen by anyone else. The MMA guy most likely thought the guy was punching him. The MMA guy died, and the other guy is in prison.
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    I'm sure if I went up against a guy willing to kill me with weapon. I'm dead. I just hope he knows how to do it quick.

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    I was mulling over whether to post this here or not...this is the Philippines vid I mentioned earlier. You don't actually see the beginning of the attack, but you certainly see how it ends. Hopefully they'll catch this guy, if they haven't already, and give justice for the victim.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h794I5zu9RI&sns=em

    The main reason I decided to post this is because a lot of people, especially lots of MAists, have a dismissive attitude toward knives; "If someone comes at me with a knife, I'll just take it away from them." "I'll just shoot 'em." Some people have a serious case of Steven Seagal syndrome. There is a reason that, for many who know better, knives are considered the most terrifying of weapons.
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    Just horrible.

    They way things are around the world. It does not surprise me. In America. We drive by the welfare office and scream get a job " your word here ". Yet, the truth is there are about half as many jobs as there is working able. Out in app in a McDonalds now and there are 100 other applicants. We never think of that as we just trashed another person because he or she needs help and now is subjected to all sorts of nonsense and the illusion they are trash. It is sad.

    Just think how bad it may be in the country of the video you posted.

    The world has never had to support this many humans at any other time in history. Anyway, the next time any of you drive buy the " BUM CENTER" instead of voicing off your stupidity, offer one a job! Bet you cant.

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    Sorry, but I feel no sympathy for any sociopathic murderer who so willingly takes the life of an innocent person. There are no excuses to justify that. There are TONS of people who live in extremely difficult circumstances who never become murderers. And who's to say the guy in the second vid simply doesn't want to work for his money, but would rather take from others whatever the cost.

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    LOL.

    Jimbo, I said it does not surprise me. Not that I condone it or that he should not be put down.

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    Like a automobile accident

    It's horrifying but it's tough to stop watching.

    What disturbs me more is what we used to call "Snuff movies" and had to sneak over to a friends house late at night to watch "Faces of Death" on VHS are now commonplace and readily available for young minds to be influenced by. Watching these videos, I can actually feel my own life force dimming just a bit - as if a dark cloud just passed overhead.

    Good reality check, though - underscores the necessity of defense being swift and severe. I believe I read in one of Yang Jwing-Ming's Chin-na books: "to be kind to my attacker is to be cruel to myself" - or something to that extent.

    herb ox

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    Herb, you raise some nice points. Is it a form of pornography?

    "to be kind to my attacker is to be cruel to myself" has anyone really considered how far they are willing to go? I mean honestly. Getting in tune with themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herb ox View Post
    It's horrifying but it's tough to stop watching.

    What disturbs me more is what we used to call "Snuff movies" and had to sneak over to a friends house late at night to watch "Faces of Death" on VHS are now commonplace and readily available for young minds to be influenced by. Watching these videos, I can actually feel my own life force dimming just a bit - as if a dark cloud just passed overhead. herb ox
    I know what you mean. I really do not like watching this stuff, but I feel that occasionally being reminded of these things can keep one grounded. I also feel that for any youngsters who can be influenced by such videos to do such actions, there is something already deeply wrong with said individuals. I would imagine for many, at least properly-adjusted individuals, that it would drive home the very real horror of such violence. Otherwise, the idea of a knife attack, or any other violence, often becomes a vague concept divorced from reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    I know what you mean. I really do not like watching this stuff, but I saw it on another forum, and feel that occasionally being reminded of these things can keep one grounded. I also feel that for any youngsters who can be influenced by such videos to do such actions, there is something already deeply wrong with said individuals. I would imagine for many, at least properly-adjusted individuals, that it would drive home the very real horror of such violence. Otherwise, the idea of a knife attack, or any other violence, often becomes a vague concept divorced from reality.
    I agree there is a small demographic that may be spurred on to become that he views. I guess that would qualify as a psychopath. For most of us , if we view things like this long enough we go through a desensitization process. It some ways it is a good thing. In others very bad. Because like those people on the train, they no longer respond emotionally and tend to remain viewers of events. Only to contemplate what happened after the fact. Sometimes remaining more on the emotional side may be the correct course but I do not know that as fact. Just a feeling.

    I too try not to overview these things. In the beginning of their availability. I certainly did. I was horrified by things I saw. But the longer I watched that crap the less I felt until I became just a detached viewer. Your emotional response can be reclaimed but for me not back to original settings. I guess you can not fully un-watch it. That being my experience anyway.

    I can only imagine what people who deal with this on a daily basis respond at this point in their lives. Purely clinical I imagine.

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    I thought this might be of interest:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9cXR9RWnEE&sns=em

    Years ago, I knew a guy who was a 3rd-degree TKD and self-defense instructor who had his own school. One day he wanted to practice knife defenses, but a bit more realistically than he was accustomed to. He handed me one of those rubber training knives and asked me to attack him. The only rule he asked is for me not to attack the face/neck area.

    I had no knife combatives training. Instead of charging him, I did snapping cuts/slashes at his hands, arms, and occasionally his lead thigh. Before long, I realized he was becoming 'gun-shy', so I started rushing in and going for his torso. I would go in, grab him, and stab rapidly in sewing machine fashion. When he turned or covered up, I'd continue on his torso/back/kidneys, arms, hands, etc. He never was able to block, grab, or kick me. Whenever he would try, I'd instinctively redirect the 'blade' and 'cut' his arm or leg. After about 5 minutes we stopped. His arms and torso were covered in welts from the rubber knife. If it had been for real, it would have been over pretty quickly.

    I've always carried a pocketknife, but never for the purpose of being a weapon...to me they're for cutting chores. Yet even I instinctively knew how to 'cut' him. Imagine someone with real bad intentions and/or who has actual experience.
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    I'd rather have a gun in my face than face a committed knife user.

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    When I took up Kali it was a huge eye opener about how truly deadly a knife can be.
    I always carry a knife know and I know how to use it.
    As for defense against a knife attacker, what I learned is that you WILL get cut, you MUST control the knife and you MUST finish him off ASAP.
    You only get one chance.

    I highly recommend the Dog Brothers "Die Less Often" and STAB program.
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    Die Less Often is a very good video set.

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