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[kung fu fighter]

yes, but evolving quite differently. As you can see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dKAcCvL8ZE

What specificly are you referring to in the form as "evolving quite differently"

This is not necessarily an evolution, there are many different variations of YKS/SN wck SLT. here is another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuJQ2kTgGw

[PalmStriker]

The SLT form in general is changing based on teacher/student transmission, much variation even within lineages. Perhaps one day the toolbox may become the focus and no longer the tools housed inside.

[PalmStriker]

Master Sum Nung SLT. Interesting to see the actual SLT form practiced by GreatMaster Yuen Kay San of Foshan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ9K-W-WWzU

[JPinAZ]

Interesting to see the craziness going on @8:30!
Any idea what that is about?

[PalmStriker]

Not my lineage but I would guess that the balance exercise has everything to do with strengthening the spine while sticking to opponent where offense can be manipulated.

[PalmStriker]

Lineage Reference: http://www.ewingchun.com/article/int...hism-wing-chun

[PalmStriker]

Yip Man Chi Sao: http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-in-wing-chun/

[PalmStriker]

Hakka: http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-a-connection/

[Grumblegeezer]

Hakka: http://chinesemartialstudies.com/201...-a-connection/

Just curious. You post a lot of interesting clips. But you seldom add much commentary. Scanning the thread, it seems a bit random. Is there a connection between this stuff, or particular point you are making?

[PalmStriker]

Just that there is a strong connection between the Hakka martial arts and WingChun specifically in the use of high stance, triangular footwork and short bridge boxing skills. Likewise the connection between the village old style Hung Gar that originated (most likely) in Southern Fujian Province that migrated south to Foshan. The thing about this line of reasoning in the researching of WingChun origins is that no one looking in this direction is pushing the similarities as a mandate or lineage package. This thread is pretty much that also. Just a collection of links for quick reference. Reality is: The great contemporary Masters of WingChun such as Master Ip Man were directly related through instruction and practice to Great Masters of Wingchun going back 2-3 centuries. In another century or two these associations are going to seem far in the distant past to new practitioners, For me, born in 1952, the American Civil War had been fought less than a century before. When I was younger I used to talk to my grandfather who was approx. Ip Man's age about things like his attending Wild Bill Hick****s' (Buffalo Bill) Wild West Show when he was a kid. Show featured Geronimo and other Native Chiefs of The People who had been the last to hold out in revolt against the European Invasion. 1880's. When my grandfather was a kid there weren't any cars yet on the roads, that sort of thing.