Shifting the stance vs Turning the Waist

[Happy Tiger]

Sigong Wong Shun Leung demoing center body turning


Tan Da

The mechanics of this center body turning are sound. Nice,no leaks.

[Happy Tiger]

I think I might start a thread on the traditional concept of Float, Sink, Swallow and Spit. This concept on energy exchange is at the center of side shifting, IMHO. All I can tell you at this point is, when the feel is right, this gate opens and the choice works...for me...

[guy b.]

I'm not really getting the gist of this thread.

WSL turns differently to LT. Ok.

Which method are you advocating and which are you saying is crap? Or are both crap and you have something different?

[wckf92]

Movement is movement in my book. I've been trained in the "50/50" shift; the "70/30" shift; heels only; ball of foot only, etc etc blah blah... it's all movement to me. It's a tool in the toolbox. Nobody is that precise anyway. And besides, WC is an idea... which grows from there.
On another note: much of this conversation depends on the reference point between the WC practitioner vs the opponent.
Carry on Lads!

[Happy Tiger]

Movement is movement in my book. I've been trained in the "50/50" shift; the "70/30" shift; heels only; ball of foot only, etc etc blah blah... it's all movement to me. It's a tool in the toolbox. Nobody is that precise anyway. And besides, WC is an idea... which grows from there.
On another note: much of this conversation depends on the reference point between the WC practitioner vs the opponent.
Carry on Lads!

Well there you go, then

[Happy Tiger]

Movement is movement in my book. I've been trained in the "50/50" shift; the "70/30" shift; heels only; ball of foot only, etc etc blah blah... it's all movement to me. It's a tool in the toolbox. Nobody is that precise anyway. And besides, WC is an idea... which grows from there.
On another note: much of this conversation depends on the reference point between the WC practitioner vs the opponent.
Carry on Lads!

That's why I do bare knuckle from time to time...the etc.etc. bla, bla, bla part

[Happy Tiger]

I'm not really getting the gist of this thread.

WSL turns differently to LT. Ok.

Which method are you advocating and which are you saying is crap? Or are both crap and you have something different?

I know, right? It's really hard to describe this idea clearly.

[wckf92]

That's why I do bare knuckle from time to time...the etc.etc. bla, bla, bla part

BTW, I like the old school wooden bench your standing on haha

[Happy Tiger]

BTW, I like the old school wooden bench your standing on haha

Great for demos!

[LFJ]

Sigong Wong Shun Leung demoing center body turning

Tan Da

The mechanics of this center body turning are sound. Nice,no leaks.

WSL deliberately put mistakes in that production because people shouldn't be learning off videos. In particular, the footwork is wrong and there is no taan-da in the fighting system he taught. That's turning toward the attack and using two hands to defend against one. Fundamental errors/ bad habits.

[Happy Tiger]

WSL deliberately put mistakes in that production because people shouldn't be learning off videos. In particular, the footwork is wrong and there is no taan-da in the fighting system he taught. That's turning toward the attack and using two hands to defend against one. Fundamental errors/ bad habits.

I don't know about that

[LFJ]

If you prefer to learn from pictures and videos, that's up to you.

[Happy Tiger]

If you prefer to learn from pictures and videos, that's up to you.

I am from WSL house. My sifu is Li Man Kit. I use pics. for reference only.
Additionally, the point being made is not the who uses what but the structure of the tools and mechanics relevant to shifting vs. turning.
This idea that our sigong was some how deceptive goes against everything I know about him

[LFJ]

I am from WSL house. My sifu is Li Man Kit. I use pics. for reference only.
Additionally, the point being made is not the who uses what but the structure of the tools and mechanics relevant to shifting vs. turning.
This idea that our sigong was some how deceptive goes against everything I know about him

It's the common practice in Chinese MA to "mark" materials provided for public consumption. That way we can clearly see who is a legit student of a given teacher, and who learned from videos, or only attended basic public seminars. You'll find this in any style throughout China. In many cases, if a teacher were to give out full information to the public they'd be given heat from their peers. When materials are "marked", only legit students will be able to recognize where.

[Happy Tiger]

It's the common practice in Chinese MA to "mark" materials provided for public consumption. That way we can clearly see who is a legit student of a given teacher, and who learned from videos, or only attended basic public seminars. You'll find this in any style throughout China. In many cases, if a teacher were to give out full information to the public they'd be given heat from their peers. When materials are "marked", only legit students will be able to recognize where.

This doesn't fall into that category. I am legit. I am aware of the controversy re: this production. If you believe it, so be it.