How would you block a hook punch?

[edward]

Gave several examples and went over how to properly block a hook punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsjxU6E0-M

[boxerbilly]

Gave several examples and went over how to properly block a hook punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsjxU6E0-M

Good work Ed. Thank you. Good stuff.

Would you be willing to put on head gear and have , I believe you said his name was Robert, put on a boxing glove, and take swipes at your head. Fast as he can when he is ready, no cues. He can just make it speed and take as much of the umph out of it as he is able. Test each of your demos and see which one works best for you ?

Maybe then shorten the range a little bit and see how well each work for you. I would say start hands up but also try hands down which generally is the case when people nail you. Or just try the ideal way.

[JPinAZ]

For the first few 'wrong' examples, I can agree with the premise they are 'wrong' from WC principle POV.
The last way shown as the 'right way' is relying too-heavily on overcoming speed with speed and lucky time fighting (even if you are taking the shorter distance). Being that your opponent initiated the action, without also engaging & neutralizing the attack, you are still going to be a step behind. So, you might pull it off, or if they are faster and/or your timing is off even a little bit, you will most likely still get hit. And, this only works if you know a hook is being throw ahead of time. What if you got it wrong and it was a straight line cross?

Regarding WC principle, IMO this is still ignoring some pretty basic WC principles such as WC Gate Theories, Loi Lau Hoi Sung/Lut Sau Jeet Chun, as well as simultaneous offence/defense. So while this is a basic first step in the right directions compared to the other examples, it still has a way to go to being 'correct' as far as I understnad Wc Principle...
Good thing this one was for free lol

** But I do agree with B.Billy - would be a good contrast to see you gear up and have someone actually trying to take your head off with one of these punches (and that knows how to throw them) and see if this defense still holds up!

[boxerbilly]

For the first few 'wrong' examples, I can agree with the premise they are 'wrong' from WC principle POV.
The last way shown as the 'right way' is relying too-heavily on overcoming speed with speed and lucky time fighting (even if you are taking the shorter distance). Being that your opponent initiated the action, without also engaging & neutralizing the attack, you are still going to be a step behind. So, you might pull it off, or if they are faster and/or your timing is off even a little bit, you will most likely still get hit. And, this only works if you know a hook is being throw ahead of time. What if you got it wrong and it was a straight line cross?

Regarding WC principle, IMO this is still ignoring some pretty basic WC principles such as WC Gate Theories, Loi Lau Hoi Sung/Lut Sau Jeet Chun, as well as simultaneous offence/defense. So while this is a basic first step in the right directions compared to the other examples, it still has a way to go to being 'correct' as far as I understnad Wc Principle...
Good thing this one was for free lol

** But I do agree with B.Billy - would be a good contrast to see you gear up and have someone actually trying to take your head off with one of these punches (and that knows how to throw them) and see if this defense still holds up!

That is a point. Really find out. Is it working the way it should be right out the box ? I suggest not having your head taken off. Maybe after you are certain you have the right way for you , move to that. Till then fast as he can with as much force take off as he is able. This is just to see. You will know fairly quickly if something works, does not or is close. Then you may have to put in time to get it smoothed out. But as one stands today with the confidence they may have in something. You could go find out but make it as safe as you can. Also, some things may only work well if you are in a ready position of some type.

[JPinAZ]

That is a point. Really find out. Is it working the way it should be right out the box ? I suggest not having your head taken off. Maybe after you are certain you have the right way for you , move to that. Till then fast as he can with as much force take off as he is able. This is just to see. You will know fairly quickly if something works, does not or is close. Then you may have to put in time to get it smoothed out. But as one stands today with the confidence they may have in something. You could go find out but make it as safe as you can. Also, some things may only work well if you are in a ready position of some type.

Lots of things 'work' that don't necessarily follow WC principle.

[wckf92]

Well, I got an 'F' for my grade at Kirin university... hahaha

[YouKnowWho]

Lots of things 'work' that don't necessarily follow WC principle.

I have noticed that you like to mention "follow WC principle".

- Do you train any other MA system besides WC?
- Can you explain what are "don't follow WC principle"? It's easy to understand "follow WC principle". It's hard to understand "don't follow WC principle".
- Will you not do certain moves because it "doesn't follow WC principle"?

[Phil Redmond]

Gave several examples and went over how to properly block a hook punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsjxU6E0-M

Those were round punches not hooks. You can't get inside of a proper tight hook. You have to treat it as an elbow strike.

[JPinAZ]

Those were round punches not hooks. You can't get inside of a proper tight hook. You have to treat it as an elbow strike.

I agree, they weren't hooks.
IMO, you can get inside a tight hook, but you have to be on the inside position already before it's thrown (in order to throw the hook, they have to work their way into that range). Otherwise yes, treat it as an elbow.

[Grumblegeezer]

I agree, they weren't hooks.
IMO, you can get inside a tight hook, but you have to be on the inside position already before it's thrown (in order to throw the hook, they have to work their way into that range). Otherwise yes, treat it as an elbow.

See, a lot of it is situational. I like what you are saying JP, but I also think Phil made a great point about handling a tight hook like an elbow. What I don't feel comfortable with are any of the solutions in Edward's video. You can't depend on "solution four" to stop a good hook. Even a loose haymaker may continue through and you end up trading. Edward posts like it's a sure thing. Heck, boxers train against hooks constantly, ...and constantly land them too!

[boxerbilly]

See, a lot of it is situational. I like what you are saying JP, but I also think Phil made a great point about handling a tight hook like an elbow. What I don't feel comfortable with are any of the solutions in Edward's video. You can't depend on "solution four" to stop a good hook. Even a loose haymaker may continue through and you end up trading. Edward posts like it's a sure thing. Heck, boxers train against hooks constantly, ...and constantly land them too!

Most of us that boxed got constantly hit by them too!

Sorry, to explain better. We take them on the arms and glove's. Better guys can slip them too.

But what does that tell you ? Here is a bunch of guys doing an art the specializes in punching and defending against those same punches and we get hit more than we do not.

[Phil Redmond]

http://youtu.be/xonV1-cz8D4

[Phil Redmond]

Examples of a good hook.
http://youtu.be/sPkF-Oj3FBU


http://youtu.be/o6j_YAXcpMA

Freddy Roach on the hook becoming an elbow strike in dirty fighting around :59
http://youtu.be/vmAFFvdGc_o

[Phil Redmond]

I agree, they weren't hooks.
IMO, you can get inside a tight hook, but you have to be on the inside position already before it's thrown (in order to throw the hook, they have to work their way into that range). Otherwise yes, treat it as an elbow.

The double lan saos in the SLT form are like the tight hook I'm referring to. If you dropped one arm and made a fist with the other arm you have a really tight hook. You cannot get inside that.