Which style is this move from?

[Cataphract]

Please tell me from which style/form this technique comes from.

Stand in horse stance. Left arm does a sweeping low block while right hand does an inside block, forearms rotating clockwise around elbow. Then switch sides, forearms rotating counterclockwise. I have seen it performed by southern stylists, but never in context, e.g. this video at 00:41 as a "bad example".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_72qh3z7Q

Is it related to the cloud hands of Taichi and Taizu Chang or more of an outside trapping shield catch? It is also found in Karate's Pinan/Heian.

[David Jamieson]

Please tell me from which style/form this technique comes from.

Stand in horse stance. Left arm does a sweeping low block while right hand does an inside block, forearms rotating clockwise around elbow. Then switch sides, forearms rotating counterclockwise. I have seen it performed by southern stylists, but never in context, e.g. this video at 00:41 as a "bad example".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W_72qh3z7Q

Is it related to the cloud hands of Taichi and Taizu Chang or more of an outside trapping shield catch? It is also found in Karate's Pinan/Heian.

It's a shaolin prerequisite skill (18 lo han) and the school appears to be wing chun.

[Cataphract]

Hi, thank you for the answer.

You mean it is a martial application of Plucking Stars from the 18 Luohan Hands qi gong? Yes, it definitely seems related to that.

I am not convinced it is part of a Wing Chun system though. I've seen it done before in a wide horse stance.

[bawang]

this is called a downward block

[David Jamieson]

Hi, thank you for the answer.

You mean it is a martial application of Plucking Stars from the 18 Luohan Hands qi gong? Yes, it definitely seems related to that.

I am not convinced it is part of a Wing Chun system though. I've seen it done before in a wide horse stance.

The prerequisite skills are "styles" in and of themselves. The principles and concepts are ported across many styles. Iron palm for instance is done in many styles. 5 stances port across most all kung fu. Basic kicks, punches and throws too and chin na is also across many styles. They are a set of skills that can be trained by anyone in any style or without a style at all.

[brothernumber9]

To me his emphasis and posture look very "hakka" to me. I would guess that this teacher has learned something in the lines of White Eyebrow/Yau Kung Moon/ Kei Lun/ Southern Mantis/ etc, potentially an old branch of wing chun. Perhaps some of or multiple of these type of systems, but his posture and emphasis leads me to believe that is where his background lies.

[Cataphract]

Master Tio Tek Kwie's (the man in the video) lineage can be googled. There is some strange debate going on about what his style exactly is, but that is not really related to my question. I believe this specific motion crosses style borders. I really have to look into those prerequisite skills. Maybe it is really just one of those ubiquitous techniques, but it seems weird to me. I think its origin might be narrowed down to Fujian, or Hakka, or some such group of styles.

If it was really just a block downward, e.g. against two consecutive kicks or punches, both arms usually should go in circles. Downward on the inside, upward on the outside like a sideways figure 8.
The movement I am talking about is rather x shaped forming a hyperbola, going downward on the inside and upward the same way.
The Tai Chi cloud hands I've seen take the middle ground, being rather square and "box shaped".

Chiu Chi Ling teaches one half as a defense against chokes.
Here seems to be an Applicaton from Hung Fut at 1:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfqYosVwLWQ
In a Hung Fut Form done really fast at 6:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSs_-273Xes
And one example while stepping from Incense Shop Boxing at 3:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXwiaRsd3Y

So maybe it is from Hung Gar or Fut Gar. The first guy I saw doing it might have been training Choy Lee Fut, according to his uniform.

[RenDaHai]

If you made two people pad up and fight all day and didn't teach them anything but rather told them to create their own martial art, this move would evolve pretty early on.

It doesn't come from any style, it would be easier to name the styles it doesn't appear in.

Too many different names, the name will usually include the hand gesture as well as the arm so there will be a huge number of differently named manifestations of this movement.

Why so interested in this movement?