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    Officers are then seen talking to Xu who can be heard saying: “I will certainly cooperate, but don’t push me. You won’t be able to push me!”
    He is later seen being escorted from the premises.
    In late April, Xu – known as “Mad Dog” for his intense fighting style – scored a convincing victory over Wei, after making controversial remarks about tai chi in which he said he wanted to “expose” its lack of merit.
    “[I] crack down on fake things, because they are fake. Fake things must be eliminated. No question,” he was quoted as saying by state-owned tabloid Global Times after his win.
    Wei was once featured in a Chinese Central Television documentary as “one of the greatest tai chi masters in China”.
    Xu’s crushing victory in their head-to-head contest led to a passionate debate online about the relative merits of the two martial art forms.



    Many people suggested that Wei’s defeat showed that traditional martial arts had been found wanting in a real combat situation.
    Supporters of the centuries-old art form, however, pointed to its place in Chinese history and culture. Others, of a more patriotic bent, seemed outraged that MMA, a form of combat championed in the West, could be considered superior to a traditional Chinese martial art.
    The Chinese Martial Arts Association said in a statement in May that the initial match had been illegal, and had “violated the morals of martial arts”.
    “Wushu is a traditional Chinese exercise activity, an excellent part of traditional culture, with merits for physical fitness, self-defence and health cultivation,” the statement said.
    Other martial arts experts, including tai chi masters Lu Xing and Wang Zhanhai, rushed to challenge Xu to provide “fresh perspective on marital arts”, Lu was quoted as saying to local media.
    Meanwhile, Chinese tycoon Chen Sheng, founder of the Tiandi No. 1 drinks company, even offered to raise the stakes by putting 10 million yuan (US$1.5 million) into the mix to “defend the dignity” of traditional martial artists.
    Xu’s microblogging account was deactivated after the national attention, but internet users excitedly referenced the latest incident with the police as his “resurrection” after months of silence. They also complained about the apparent deletion of messages relating to the planned Shanghai bout.
    “Blocked again! This is regional politics!” one person wrote.
    “[Xu] can defeat all of the ‘fakeness’ across the lakes and rivers, but he cannot defeat the government!”
    Xu is still working it.
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    This thread is awesome. I had no idea the Chinese government was getting involved. You guys think it's a sincere defense of the culture, or just trying to stop a bunch of oversensitive halfwitts from beating the **** out of each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn7 View Post
    This thread is awesome. I had no idea the Chinese government was getting involved. You guys think it's a sincere defense of the culture, or just trying to stop a bunch of oversensitive halfwitts from beating the **** out of each other?
    Likely a little from column A and a little from column B.
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    ttt 4 2017!

    What with the recent kerfuffle over That MMA vs Taiji Fight Everyones Talking About and the following news piece, I'm tty-ing this old Challenge Match thread and hijacking it to raise the question - Should challenge matches be permitted in civilized societies?

    Legally the answer is no, obviously. A civilized society is marked by it's litigenous nature, so it wouldn't be prudent grant 'official permission' in such cases. But from a martial perspective, I'm all for testing skills against each other and punching fakes in the nose.

    Domestic kung fu school banned from fight with Canadian
    JULY 20, 2017

    The Vietnamese Traditional Martial Arts Association has banned the Nam Huynh Dao Kung Fu School from participating in any competition with the martial artist Pierre Francois Flores without official permission.

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    Huynh Tuan Kiet and Pierre Francois Flores (left to right)

    Pierre Francois Flores is a student of martial artist Nam Anh, head of Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu School in Canada. He had accused Huynh Tuan Kiet, head of Nam Huynh Dao Kung Fu School, of faking his ‘electricity channelling’ technique and challenged him. However, Kiet didn’t respond.

    Huynh Quoc Hung, Kiet’s brother, said that Kiet wouldn’t engage in a street fight with Flores. Hung said Nam Huynh Dao was a reputable school and recognised by the government so they wouldn’t participate in illegal fighting.

    He said. “We don’t view Flores as an enemy and we are willing to make friends with him. Kiet will meet him under three conditions. First is he must be introduced by Canadian agencies and the head of his school. Second is the fight must have permission by Vietnamese authorities and finally, he should arrive with the proper attitude of a martial artist and not be provocative.”

    Hoang Vinh Giang, chairman of Vietnamese Traditional Martial Arts Association said they had banned Nam Huynh Dao Kung Fu School from fighting with Flores. Giang said since Nam Huynh Dao was a member of the association, the fight is the association’s problem.

    “If anything unfortunate happens, it may affect the relationship between Vietnam and Canada,” he said. “In fact, we don’t have the authorisation to issue the permit and don’t condone the fight. What with this kind of fighting that has no protective outfit and insurance? At least there must be some rules about weight class or age.”

    Giang said the fight had no motive outside of attracting curious internet viewers.

    Last week, Flores had knocked out karate artist Doan Bao Chau in a friendly match that doesn’t have official permission. Many viewers commented that they physical difference was too huge as Flores weighed 91kg and was 180cm tall, while Chau weighed 62kg at 161cm tall

    The Department of Public Sport still has no idea how to deal with the duel of such nature.
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    Well, that got that old challenge match thread deleted

    But the challenges go on...
    Cung Le Responds To Flores
    July 22, 2017



    On July 21st the challenge pictured below was posted via Facebook. The details of this disagreement are confusing and has taken place over the past couple weeks. Online sources are reporting Mr. Flores has fought various masters and now has challenged Cung Le for perceived insults that never occurred.



    We are confused why Mr Flores has not reached out to us directly, if he would like to he can by clicking HERE or visiting our contact form. Since this has gone viral across all social media, blogs and YouTube we have decided to address it. Additionally you can see the Facebook live video where Cung addresses Francois Flores in English and Vietnamese in detail at around 20 minutes into the video. You will also spend 30 minutes behind the scenes of the movie "Europe Raiders" starring Cung Le, Jeeja Yanin and other great actors. Cung Le's Statement Below.

    "To my Fans and Fellow Martial Artists:
    Recently, it has come to a point where I wish to clarify any confusion in the media regarding myself and a Mr. Flores who has touted that I have “challenged” him. In fact, I do not know Mr. Flores or the Master Kiet he appears to be fascinated with. Therefore, I cannot comment on their disagreement or the legitimacy of their Martial Arts techniques or systems. I did however state in several different ways that Mr. Flores is using the platform of Martial Arts to bully. Period. I disagree with his tactics, disrespect, assumptions and blatant disregard of the Principles of Martial Arts. Martial Arts is a lifestyle comprised of aggressive, violent and sometimes lethal techniques. The flip side is using your intelligence to qualify the restraint, respect and use of those hard earned skills. Everyday I try to empty my cup and evolve into a more well rounded Martial Artist. No one is above defeat in a fight … but defeat does not mean failure … it is what you do with that lesson. I have always said “I win like a champion and I lose like a champion.”
    To the valuable and impressionable young martial artists in our community, be respectful but constantly evolve. Ultimately, you are your own Master … and never forget to Honor those who have helped pave the road you are on. If you believe something can be taught better, then teach it to your fellow Martial Artists. Stay hungry for more but humble.
    I would like to thank all my Fans! I love you and appreciate all your support. I will continue to grow in my own Martial Art’s walk and hope my evolution helps yours."


    Cung Le on Pierre Francois Flores and Europe Raiders
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    Still on about this?

    Nobody is kung fu fighting: Chinese martial artists ordered to stop organising their own bouts
    Sports authority issues series of orders to kung fu practitioners after tai chi master’s crushing defeat at hands of mixed martial arts fighter
    PUBLISHED : Friday, 10 November, 2017, 11:00pm
    UPDATED : Saturday, 11 November, 2017, 12:01am
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    China’s top sporting authority has banned kung fu practitioners from organising unauthorised fights, calling themselves “grandmasters” and creating their own styles.
    The directive, issued by the General Administration of Sport on Thursday, bans a total of eight practices and follows an intense debate across the country prompted by the humiliating defeat of a tai chi master by a mixed martial artist in April.
    Many questioned the merits of traditional martial arts after the fight, in which the founder of “thunder style” tai chi was defeated within 10 seconds by the MMA fighter.
    In the directive, which aims to tighten regulations on martial arts-related activities, the General Administration of Sport said practitioners should “build correct values about martial arts”.



    Among the top sins they should avoid were “creating one’s own style, organising a fight without a permit from the authorities, malicious attacks, slandering or discriminating against others”, according to the document.
    Claiming to be the “authentic” successor of a particular art was also on the banned list, because the administrators said the practice was misleading the public.
    The directive further warned against moneymaking activities such as accepting apprentices, making inappropriate remarks, creating and spreading rumours, as well as fabricating certificates for athletes, coaches and judges.
    The government’s intervention in fights between martial artists, a traditionally private activity, raised eyebrows on social media.
    “Creating one’s own style of martial art [is banned]? Weren’t all the existing styles created by people? Organising private fights [is also banned]?
    “Isn’t competing and finding out their strengths and weaknesses what martial artists should do?” one user commented on the social media platform Weibo.
    “It’s just afraid that more kung fu masters will be defeated, isn’t it?” Wang Xu, an online commentator in Beijing, wrote on the microblogging platform.
    The defeat of Wei Lei, a tai chi master, at the hands of Xu Xiaodong, an MMA fighter, in April had followed a war of words over which of the two arts was stronger.
    Xu, who is known for his provocative comments, had described traditional martial arts as a “farce”.
    Wei, who was described by state media as one of China’s greatest tai chi masters, said he wanted to take the fight because Xu had insulted tai chi and “cursed at the ancestors”.
    'cursed at the ancestors'? srsly?

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    April’s fight between Wei Lei, left, and Xu Xiaodong ended swiftly. Photo: SCMP

    Xu’s comprehensive and swift victory in front of a large crowd in the western city of Chengu only served to pour fuel on the fire.
    His microblogging account was deactivated in light of the attention he had attracted and a new account that appeared to be his was also later blocked, the Beijing Times reported.
    Xu arranged a contest with another tai chi master Ma Baoguo in Shanghai in June after tai chi supporters demanded a rematch, but the fight was halted by police,
    Xu later claimed that the officers had been tipped off by a relative of Ma’s in an attempt to sabotage the bout.




    Gong Maofu, associate professor from the martial arts school of the Chengdu Sport Institute, said the directive was apparently motivated by a desire to create a better environment but whether it would be truly implemented remained a question as this was only an administrative order.
    “It’s very difficult to carry out [these bans]. There’s no legal clause for reference if there’s another fight like that. It’s still unclear who is to supervise this and impose the punishment,” Gong said.
    He added that it was meaningless to conclude that Chinese kung fu was weaker than Western martial arts because of a contest between two individuals.
    “The result of a fight depends on several factors – who is fighting, how they are fighting, and when,” he said, echoing many internet users’ opinion that Wei was too weak to represent Chinese kung fu.
    It was one dumb fight that went viral. Lawd. Moving on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    It was one dumb fight that went viral. Lawd. Moving on...
    Come on the Chinese government is papping itself incase it loses some of its case cow money when people start to ask if Kung Fu is actually useful

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    This fight shook heaven and earth

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    I'll just keep training for the sake of it...

    yeesh.
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    Xu Xiao Dong (MMA) vs Ding Hao (Wing Chun)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Ha ha. What is this "Wing Chun" guy's fighting record and who's his teacher? The only thing Wing Chun about him is his on guard stance ha ha. Why do these guys with no fights always decide to go up against experienced fighters? Are there any more Wing Chun guys out there with the experience of a Gary Lam? I just don't get it.
    I was on the metro earlier, deep in meditation, when a ruffian came over and started causing trouble. He started pushing me with his bag, steadily increasing the force until it became very annoying. When I turned to him, before I could ask him to stop, he immediately started hurling abuse like a scoundrel. I performed a basic chin na - carotid artery strike combination and sent him to sleep. The rest of my journey was very peaceful, and passersby hailed me as a hero - Warrior Man

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    Wasting too much time with the formalities and not enough with the sweat. It is everywhere in TMA. IMO it all boils down to preferred ways of conditioning. Whether you like the modern sport ways like lifting a dumbbell or the traditional ways like swinging a heavy guan dao. Either way you should have a firm understanding of reality. This is 2018, in china they keep them stupid believe me. They block out the world and don't progress up to speed with the rest of the world. If you spend half your time working on things like eye pokes ,groin kicks and weapons, how will you compete in a match where your opponent practices exactly what will be used in the match 100% of the time? Common sense doesn't apply here half the time.

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    脑袋开花,徐晓东被打全记录!



    googtrans: "The head is blooming, Xu Xiaodong is beaten!"

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    It was just sparring. He's filming a series and did a few rounds at Dadongxiang Club in Zhengzhou against much younger and more skilful fighters. Bound to happen.

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