Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu

[Jimbo]

But he isnt is he? according to TCMA guys posting on this very thread he is a self taught MMA guy and has no real fights, and yet he still handed a fairly well known master his back side

If anything that makes it worse,

Its not like that san soo guy who lost to a BJJ blackbelt win 8 pro wins, this guy got destroyed by a self taught basement fighter lol

True, it makes it worse. Self-taught or not, he could fight and the Taiji guy could not. He at least has the mentality and willingness to punch somebody out. That alone would have given him the advantage over a complete non-fighter, MAist or not. Similar to the many incidences where black belts in various MA have been beaten by untrained street fighters.

Actually, there were some notable MMA fighters who (or so I've heard) at least claimed to have started out self-taught: Rich Franklin, Evan Tanner, Cro-Cop, etc. Of course, they didn't remain self-taught.