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    With regards the fight, the result is sort of expected. The Taiji artist was 100% in defense mode. That is IMHO a short coming of the style. If one can defense himself so, then his opponent is poor in fight skill, and / or does not want to fight much. But in the fight discussed, the MMA artist was most in attack mode. So what else do we expect will happen?

    Another point I would like to mention is should we reponse to the challenge made by the MMA artist after the fight? I don't think we should. From time to time, there is big mouth saying B.S. in public. It is kind of disappointing when wise people like actor Jet Li responsed to it by released a video he made to the public.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingCrane View Post
    Just my own 2 cents. As somebody who has practised Tai Chi for over 30 years AND coached champion MMA fighters, I figure I should respond to the 'challenge' video! Both sides are wrong: Tai Chi is NOT a scam, and Tai Chi is NOT too deadly for the cage. I'm afraid the truth is a little more mundane In this clip, I actually demonstrate a tai chi posture, then show how to drill it for self defence/MMA and a little free sparring. Now tell me it isn't 'real' tai chi....
    That Jenkins Mobb fight in your 2014 MMA World Challenge video was great, Mobb took a beating in the beginning there. I was worried, but then he came through with the cannons to honour the Empire against the American traitors. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by diego View Post
    That Jenkins Mobb fight in your 2014 MMA World Challenge video was great, Mobb took a beating in the beginning there. I was worried, but then he came through with the cannons to honour the Empire against the American traitors. lol
    Haha! Thanks, he is a tough guy, but super nice. He took that fight on 1 weeks notice after the 85kg English fighter pulled out due to injury. It was a good night

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    Most CMA guys don't understand "if you don't spar/wrestle for 3 days, your arms and legs will no longer be yours". No matter how much time that you may spend in "solo" training, you just can't develop

    - timing,
    - opportunity, and
    - angle.
    Wish I had training partners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neeros View Post
    Wish I had training partners.
    Vancouver has schools everywhere any style, I am lucky but if I lived somewhere with no Chinatown I would like check out University Judo class or Boxers to see if they would welcome you into their basic sparring club..It would be a commitment to get a Judo Black Belt and all you want is to spar with friends. lol

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    I don't understand what the kerfuffle is about?

    The one guy trained to fight.
    The other guy trained for art.

    Gun beats paint brush right?
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    I don't understand what the kerfuffle is about?

    The one guy trained to fight.
    The other guy trained for art.

    Gun beats paint brush right?
    The issue occurs when somebody brings a paint brush to a gunfight.

    TBH, I don't see why this 'mad dog' guy has such a big one on for CMAists and Taiji in particular. Why is it so important for him to expose "frauds"? Did he feel defrauded in the past? Or is he just picking on a demographic he's confident he can beat? Is he unable to compete against other MMA fighters? What is it to him what other people do that is unrelated to what he does?
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    Another faulty experiment

    The issue here is is terrain. In an open field, a longer weapon will be a shorter weapon. But in rugged terrain, especially forested like where the Dadaodui battles allegedly took place, a longer weapon might be disadvantageous.

    So it's akin to saying that Lei Lei represented Tai Chi/Kung Fu, when he clearly wasn't even skilled enough to know he was outgunned.


    WHO WOULD WIN: CHINESE BROADSWORD VS JAPANESE BAYONET? POLICE ACADEMY HAS THE ANSWER
    After a victory for mixed martial arts over tai chi, This Week in Asia settles another long-running combat rivalry
    BY CHOW CHUNG-YAN
    6 MAY 2017


    Police officers armed with Japanese bayonets and Chinese broadswords square off. Photo: Handout

    The martial arts world was recently set abuzz when MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong defeated tai chi master Wei Lei in a one-sided, 10-second bout in Chengdu, China. Some believe the victory proves Xu’s claim that traditional martial arts are outdated; others question whether Wei was fit to represent his sport. Either way, with a host of martial arts experts now lining up to fight Xu, the debate over the merits of various fighting styles looks set to rage on. Here, Chow Chung-yan weighs up another long-running combat rivalry - this one with its roots in the second world war

    It is common for a country at war to hype up a certain weapon to motivate its people. In China during the second world war, the weapon that most captured the public’s imagination was the Chinese dadao (broadsword).

    The war was brutally one-sided. Against Japanese imperial troops armed with bombers and tanks, most Chinese soldiers had only a simple rifle. Not only were the Japanese much better equipped, their soldiers were professionally trained. All Japanese soldiers had to go through intense training in jukendo – fighting with a bayonet.

    Jukendo was a combat technique borrowed from the West and combined with traditional Japanese spear fighting moves. In battles, the Japanese applied it with deadly effect.


    Chinese troops armed with dadao, or broadswords, during the second world war. Photo: Handout

    While the Chinese enjoyed a numerical advantage, their soldiers were mostly peasants who had little martial training. Not only were Chinese soldiers outgunned by the Japanese, they were often outfought in melees as well.

    In March 1933, a Chinese squad armed with the traditional broadsword carried out a daring sortie under the cover of night against Japanese troops occupying a section of the Great Wall. They won the close-quarter battle, but it was costly. The news greatly cheered the Chinese public.

    The war propaganda singled out the dadao for praise, billing it as the killer weapon against Japanese jukendo.

    The story was told and retold in the Chinese press and the legend grew with each telling. The dadao soon became the de facto symbol of Chinese resistance.

    According to the legend, a group of martial arts masters studied Japanese jukendo and developed a special move to counter it. The story helped to revive Chinese morale and boosted soldiers’ confidence in engaging Japanese at close quarters.


    Chinese police officers test the dadao against the bayonet in Zhejiang. Photo: Handout

    The legend continues to this day. Today, in Chinese war dramas, you often see Chinese soldiers charging towards Japanese invaders with their broadswords raised, killing enemies with ease.

    But is the Chinese dadao really effective against Japanese jukendo?

    Gone in 10 seconds – Chinese MMA fighter wipes floor with ‘thunder-style’ tai chi master

    Three years ago, the academy of armed police in Zhejiang ( 浙江 ) carried out an experiment. Forty armed police officers were organised into two teams. One received jukendo training and the other studied the dadao moves said to be devised by the masters. They then carried out three bouts of simulated fighting.


    The team armed with bayonets won the competition against the broadswords with overwhelming results. Photo: Handout

    The team armed with bayonets won the competition with overwhelming results. In one fight, within one minute, the dadao team were “wiped out” while the jukendo team suffered only three casualties.

    It was why despite propaganda overdrive on the virtues of the traditional broadsword, Chinese troops throughout the war focused their training on bayonet practice. They eventually reached parity with their Japanese enemies.


    The dadao team is wiped out. Photo: Handout

    Chow Chung-yan
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    Xu Yaodong vs. Yi Long

    Hopefully Yi Long won't rely on his iron head technique.

    At least he's closer to Xu Yaodong's physique.

    Shaolin Monk Hopes to Claim $2-Million Bounty on MMA Fighter’s Head
    By Atilano Diaz - May 8, 2017



    Virally popular Chinese amateur MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong is a man with a huge target on his back, following a 10-second beatdown he gave to Tai Chi master Wei Lei in Chengdu last month. In a video that spread like wildfire, Xu is seen relentlessly attacking Wei with punching combinations. And then following him to the mat for some ground-and-pound when Lei crumpled from a right hand.

    Now it seems Xu has angered the “traditional” martial arts community as a few have come up issuing challenges. There are a handful of “traditional martial artists” who have expressed interest in facing Xu. However, one incentive could really push things over the edge.

    A video of Chinese MMA Fighter Xu Xiaodong’s beatdown of a Tai Chi master went viral



    Chinese amateur MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong recently destroyed Tai Chi master Wei Lei. beating down the old man within 10-seconds in a viral clip that has taken social media. Now many ‘masters’ are after him and want revenge.

    Chinese multi-millionaire Mr. Chen Sheng has recently offered over 10-million Chinese yuan (nearly $2-million dollars) to any traditional martial artist who can defeat Xu. Mr. Chen, who is known as the founder of the wildly popular non-alcoholic beverage “Tiandi”, said he wanted to “defend the dignity” of martial artists.

    Xu’s one-sided beatdown of Wei Lei sparked intense debates over the effectiveness of traditional martial arts versus modern day fighting.



    Check out the original footage of the fight here…

    Up until a certain point, traditional martial arts such as Kung Fu or Karate, or even Tai Chi, have been thought of to be lethal forms of fighting. However, MMA in the modern day, popularized by Bruce Lee, incorporated the best aspects of each style into one. Nowadays, MMA is seen as the ultimate and purest form of combat.

    This apparently did not sit well with the traditional Chinese martial arts community. As soon as word spread of Xu’s destruction of Wei, various traditional martial artists have issued challenges.

    Two more Tai Chi masters, Lu Xing and Wang Zhanhai have issued challenges. Lu has already invited Xu for a public duel and vowed to “teach him a lesson”.



    A Shaolin Monk named Yi Long will be first to challenge Xu

    Guangzhou native and Chinese boxing specialist Shangxian who practices Shaolin Meihua Zhuang also expressed interest. Yi Long, a Chinese monk known for his martial arts skill has also made his intentions known and seems to be the first in line to challenge Xu.

    Now it seems their efforts will not go to waste and up to $2-million in purse is up for grabs. Mr. Chen explains that the prize pool will be split up over five matches. The winner of each fight gets $300,000 while the loser takes home $100,000.

    Pretty sweet deal for Xu either way as he stands to take home at least $500,000 even if he loses each bout. However Chen remained adamant that he wanted Xu to learn some sort of lesson.

    “I want him (Xu) to understand, he used this kind of extreme method to provoke Chinese traditional culture, and will need to pay the price.”
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    Adding insult to injury, Gene?
    The Kendo guy in Isshu Jiai (Kendo vs. Naginatado) is far from doomed, although arguably at a disadvantage.

    The MMA vs Thunder Style incident is about two guys. Nothing more. Stuff like that can be seen on every school yard around the globe. And of course about a MA community that has such an inferiority complex it will blow it completely out of proportion.

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    haaaaa

    Quote Originally Posted by Cataphract View Post
    Adding insult to injury, Gene?
    Who me? No never.

    I'm just delighted to see a topic that everyone seems to enjoy chatting about. It's been a while since we've had a discussion we can all sink our teeth into here.
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    This is good because it's getting a lot of exposure. Both Cung Le and Yi Long offered to fight the guy and it's very doubtful he would fight either of them...and of course this is where everyone says "those guys are MMA/Sanda not Kung Fu!" But both those guys have identified themselves as traditional martial artists and kung fu guys. Obviously both are sport fighters, but if they don't see a necessary distinction why should we?

    You can be a traditional martial artist AND train to fight, even if that means, gasp, putting on gloves and stepping into a ring/cage/lei tai. Let him beat up the phonies, plenty of guys are calling him out, if he's going to duck the legit guys people are going to see through it. If he doesn't duck them, he's going to get his butt kicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    This is good because it's getting a lot of exposure. Both Cung Le and Yi Long offered to fight the guy and it's very doubtful he would fight either of them...and of course this is where everyone says "those guys are MMA/Sanda not Kung Fu!" But both those guys have identified themselves as traditional martial artists and kung fu guys. Obviously both are sport fighters, but if they don't see a necessary distinction why should we?

    You can be a traditional martial artist AND train to fight, even if that means, gasp, putting on gloves and stepping into a ring/cage/lei tai. Let him beat up the phonies, plenty of guys are calling him out, if he's going to duck the legit guys people are going to see through it. If he doesn't duck them, he's going to get his butt kicked.

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    Xu himself has a sanda background. He has said from the beginning the challenge doesn't extend to sanda practitioners. I don't think we'll be seeing any more fights involving him now (unless its something sanctioned on Kunlun Fight or similar). He's already catching heat from the Government and has been publicly accused of being a foreign backed anti-China agitator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Tunks View Post
    Thanks for posting that, B.Tunks.

    I wonder how long before that interview 'disappears'.

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