Traditional Wing Chun- getting the blindside

[guy b.]

TWC is a martial art style based loosely upon VT. It is a technique based style and one of the main stated approaches is attempting to attain the blind side using arm engagement and stepping around while maintaining distance.

For example:



This approach in TWC appears more concerned with maintaining distance than attacking centre. It is heavily focused on arm contact.

[guy b.]

Superficially the TWC approach is similar to the Sabaki method used in Enshin and Ashihara karate, which are Kyokushin offshoots.



The main difference is that Sabaki works to achieve blind side in real time vs resisting opponents (albeit Kyokushin opponents with limited lateral movement), whereas videos of TWC never show this happening. The reason for this difference is that Sabaki stresses a sleeve grip on the gi to prevent the opponent re-facing, has much deeper and more effective stepping patterns, and is not focused on playing with the arms. Sabaki type karate styles also utilise standard karate type rotational hitting whereby the sleeve grip loads up the other side to strike, allowing a strong kuzushi to effect the opponent's balance, while TWC appears more concerned with arm play which does not affect the opponent.

In conclusion the TWC approach appears more a way of maintaining distance and avoiding the opponent than of attacking via the blindside.

Thoughts?

[LFJ]

In conclusion the TWC approach appears more a way of maintaining distance and avoiding the opponent than of attacking via the blindside.

A couple videos from the man himself I hadn't seen before show this rather clearly.

Lots of predictable circling around and around at arms' length while swatting at the arms and never moving in to attack center.

[LFJ]

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[guy b.]

A couple videos from the man himself I hadn't seen before show this rather clearly.

Lots of predictable circling around and around at arms' length while swatting at the arms and never moving in to attack center.

Hmm, yes he doesn't really engage centre at all. He steps back to maintain distance in fact. Working at this range, and with this approach, the only way to affect the opponent's balance and movement is to grab his sleeve as in the Sabaki karate clip. Messing with arms that can withdraw at any time does nothing.

[LFJ]

Hmm, yes he doesn't really engage centre at all. He steps back to maintain distance in fact. Working at this range, and with this approach, the only way to affect the opponent's balance and movement is to grab his sleeve as in the Sabaki karate clip. Messing with arms that can withdraw at any time does nothing.

Correct. It's trading punches at arms' length. Not something to suggest against a good boxer.
The constant circling to outside the opponent's lead leg gets very predictable, very soon, too.

The whole strategy can be shut down with lateral movement to cut his circle off and keep him in front of the boxer.
If you want to then maintain distance and swat at every punch, the boxer is the puppeteer pulling your strings and will set you up.

[Sihing73]

Curious, could you guys post something showing you engaging with a Boxer so we can see how it should be done.
Funny how you always put down TWC but they have people who have actually fought both on the street and in the ring.
Who have you fought again??

Also funny how you seem to imply that TWC is "loosely" based on VT yet William Cheung studied under Yip Man.
TWC also has the centerline and motherline theories as well as the forms and core techniques like Taun, Fook and Bong. While you may not agree with the approach, your lack of agreement with how TWC, or any other lineage, does something does not make it wrong or in any way inferior to your approach.