.. I thought those guys were supposed to be good... all the guy wanted to do was try to ground fight. Maybe i am wrong but I thought there was throws in that style. They couldn't even fall without getting hurt. I really didn't have to ground fight.. the throws took too much out of him.. we said full contact.. so i threw him to the ground (ouch!!:)) and then he tried some funky roll... so i kicked him in the head. Maybe they should think fighting from the ground up.. I don't mean to knock the style.. but we were pretty equal in size and experience.. i think the style is only as good as the person practicing it... so I guess the only thing to say is the boy got schooled in Shuai Chiao.. then we went and got a beer.. it was a good night