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    Can you tell us what weapons were in Lau Bun's curriculum? It also begs the question if different weapons were ever swapped into a form, like Double Daggers with Butterfly Swords?
    Lau Bun didn't teach in a cookie cutter fashion. He would give you forms that were suitable to you and only you. And yes, all weapons can be interchanged with each other.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    And yes, all weapons can be interchanged with each other.
    Does anyone know about how many weapons were passed down from the founder? 0, 5, 9, 18, 40, or some other subset of the 53 listed on Doc-Fai Wong's website:

    https://plumblossom.net/ChoyLiFut/CLFweapons.html

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    does anyone know about how many weapons were passed down from the founder? 0, 5, 9, 18, 40, or some other subset of the 53 listed on doc-fai wong's website:

    https://plumblossom.net/choylifut/clfweapons.htm
    no one knows what forms were actually passed down from chan heung. Much of their history comes from 2nd and 3rd generation writers. What people don't realize is chan heung did not create all the forms found in his lineages.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    no one knows what forms were actually passed down from chan heung. Much of their history comes from 2nd and 3rd generation writers. What people don't realize is chan heung did not create all the forms found in his lineages.
    At least there's enough CLF forms out there to get some idea of the forms or even moves most likely originating from the founder. What I have a problem is with another Kung Fu style allegedly going back to a Taoist Immortal and with a tradition of never publishing anything. I have been digging in YouTube since its existed for any traces of it and have not found any independent sources outside of what was taught by Share Lew after about 1971, and it is only now that I'm noticing that Tao Tan Pai style has a lot of overlap with Lau Bun's CLF forms, so if anyone sees any of these forms turn up please let me know.

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    and it is only now that I'm noticing that Tao Tan Pai style has a lot of overlap with Lau Bun's CLF forms, so if anyone sees any of these forms turn up please let me know.
    Tao Tan Pai may have been influenced by Lau Bun's CLF. But DFW's list is complete in a sense that that is what more chan heung based schools teach. lau bun's CLF has influence kajukenbo as well. but i have to see some Tao Tan Pai for me to make a good judgment call. can you put some of film and show me
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    Tao Tan Pai may have been influenced by Lau Bun's CLF. But DFW's list is complete in a sense that that is what more chan heung based schools teach. lau bun's CLF has influence kajukenbo as well. but i have to see some Tao Tan Pai for me to make a good judgment call. can you put some of film and show me
    Most the people that know Tao Tan Pai continue the tradition of not publishing anything, although more and more of it is coming out since Share Lew passed away a few years ago. Here's one doing the double-dagger form. He even mentions (at 12:31) his view of its orgins. It is done in a sloppy manner, but its pretty much all there plus-and-minus a couple moves:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luHf1XD-q3Q

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    Here's one doing the double-dagger form. He even mentions (at 12:31) his view of its orgins.
    OK, I watched that part with the double daggers. absolutely nothing to do with CLF. and That style he mentioned is NOT any part of CLF on this planet. it may be influenced by Lau Bun's CLF however i don't see any ear marks that would identify a connection. Sadly, there are too many non CLF people trying to attach themselves to CLF. but yea, that's not any type of CLF. i thought it looked more like Ark Wongs style tho, which isn't CLF either.
    I'm pretty sure the only thing tongs do nowadays is make sure Chinese restaurants don't pay out tips to their waiters. - Pazman[/B]

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