Hey KC Elbows

[KC Elbows]

Oh, two more:

-What did JCK do for a living in Korea that enabled him to come the US?

-Has anyone ever done a comparison of the specific shady stuff CMQ allegedly does(the envelope crap, handing money face up, the specific gift schedule, etc.) and rituals of the Korean underground/triads? Probably a dead end, but a possibility nonetheless. I don't think Kim had the intelligence to invent all the ways to cheat with money that are attributed to him, but I could be wrong.

-Will JCK make all the National Instructors wear nike sneakers at the next comet passing? Just Do It!

[MonkeySlap Too]

Yeah - now I know people are trying to pin his training on Lui Shi Tien - but other than stealing cross choreography (and as I recall the whole 'bagwa' story happened AFTER the Pam Zekman reports. I think he just followed a video tape. How he moves and how a Ba Gua practitioner move are VERY VERY different.

Just appalling...

[KC Elbows]

No, the boggwa thing predated Zekman, though the blue literature describing the boggwa legend could have been after Zekman.

I started chung moo long before the Zekman thing, and they were already talking about boggwa walk. The guys who had been in a long time(Tom McGee, etc.) learned a different version of it that I never saw, they all referred to it as "old style" boggwa walk. Probably just another case of senseless "corrections" that led nowhere.

[Kim]

KC

I see they added the missing chapter 12 on the TMAN forum. The whole document is there, or at least it says it is, and I did scroll down and there are some letters there. Don't know if it is the one you are looking for but just thought I'd let you know.

Peace, Kim

[KC Elbows]

Thank you, Kim. Are you practicing in a school presently? Still chung moo, or another?

[Kim]

I have not been back to the chung moo school now for a couple months. Coincidently the last class I had there was one of those special NLT ones on Bagwa Walk, too bad I didn't know all this stuff before I paid out the bucks. Anyway, due to holidays and such I haven't started anywhere yet. I will be checking out a school called American Kung Fu next week and am waiting for a response from a friend of a friend who just became a sifu in the area to find out where she attends. I plan on checking out Gin Foon Mark's SPM school also.

Peace, Kim

[KC Elbows]

Good!

At the bottom level of chung moo, most of the stuff is just annoying, but if you want to know what your money is going towards, read those letters. They're heinous. One guy I talk about, Tom McGee, was one of my main instructors in chung moo. He was a *******, but a warrior *******, which is more than I give most of 'em. From what I heard, they hung him out to dry, using his loyalty to JCK as a tool to get him to go with their stupidity.

[Royal Dragon]

Hey KC,
Too many questions to answer, I'd have to write a book.

I was talking with an oldtimer (late 70's) that claimed Kim was associated with the Lee brothers of Hwarangdo, and had some sort of buisnes relation to them. He reported seeing them come into Kim's school often, but never taking lessons.

After hearing this, I contacted them and got this respons

"We NO LONGER discuss THAT individual!!!!!!"

That was it, nothing more, and when I pressed it, they hung up on me. So SOMETHING went on between them for sure.

Also, remember the Chuck Norris story? we contacted him too, and he denied EVER even knowing Kim, in Korea or otherwise. In fact he claimed our inqurery was the first time he'd EVER heard of Kim. So I guess Kim did'nt train him either.


As far as the Bok Nam Park thing "I" came up with that one based on the time line and the fact that his master introduced Pakua to Korea. Basically, my theory is that if Kim learned Pakua form this Wang Po dude, then he MUST have been connected to Bok's master because he was the only one doing Paku in Korea at the time. Somehow, as time went on my theory just became accepted as common fact. Someone did some deeper looksee's into that, and discovered the similarity in Broad sword form. I haven't doen that comparisen myself, but if it's true it would help cement my theory.

If you want some more on what I've got you have to call me, I'm not going to type it all out again it's too hard, and I've lost intrest in the subject.

RD

[KC Elbows]

And I thought you were glutton for punishment!

Sorry, I remember you stating some of that before, though the details of the Lee brothers thing is new to me, but I remember the "We don't discuss THAT individual" bit.

I'll have to delve a little bit, as I've seen some stuff that led me down different avenues as to the source of some of his martial training. It is possible that the Lee brothers were not there as teachers or students, but for some other reason, be it monetary/organizational, etc. Interesting stuff, I'll give you a call one of these days.

Thanks for retyping what you did though.

[Royal Dragon]

I have a file on My Harddrive full of Chung moo stufff, anything from rummur to theory to facts and copys of court dockets. I wonder If it could be E-Mailed as an attachment? Or do I have to send each file one by one? I could try copying it to a floppy and mailing it to you I supose.

What we should do, is go down to the Dirksen building next summer and view the 4 boxes of files on them. I hear it entertaining reading. Rummur has it they found a box of porno's mixed in with Kim's personal records (oops:0). Photo's are suposed to be in the file. I have the case number, so t would just be a matrter of going down town to the dirksen building, walking up to the desk and asking to see files for case # Blah, Blah Blah Blah.............................................. ........