Chi and sex: Conflicting opinions

[maoshan]

Leonidas,dfe****o@mindspring.com
Excellent, Just excellent

This is higher level training.

As far as the hundred days are concerned, It took me 5yrs to do it
Taoist sexual practices are truly tuff. In particular if your already having sex. It would be far easier for a vergin to do it. The pressure is incredable. I practice the dual method and what has been referred to as the vampire method.
and I found that you don't have to wait 2 weeks to feel it.
Get into an intense session with your partner and stop. If you can get past the fact that you didn't ejaculate and just feel your self. you will feel the flow of energy inside you.
The problem is we have been instilled with a wrong concept.
We think the perpose of sex is to ejaculate so we approuch sex with this mind set. When we are interupted we get angry because we didn't get it. But if you pay attention to yourself you'll see that you feel quit strong. It happened to me in my younger days and one time i remember runing into something that at any other time would put me on my knees in pain but instead I was just aware that i hit something. and on the other side of that,
just after ejaculation i've bumped into things that at any other time would never had bothered me, instead I felt like I'd been shot.
What ever method chosen, you must be diligent. For those in the west I sudjest the dual method. Sex has alot of empact on our society. most couldn't handle abstainance.

This is a deep subject. from my experiance I could Tell yall some stories. But it's not for kungfuonline it would be quit cencered.
I've made mistakes and i learned the hard way, but ultimatly It's help me progress tremendously.

Just be careful

Maoshan

[brucelee2]

I spoke with my bagua sifu today about the formula mentioned above for determining ejaculation frequency. He said it was okay but not great because every person is different- for example, one thirty year old may be in excellent health, another may be sickly or have kidney troubles, therefore their optimal ejaculation frequencies would differ despite their being the same age. Also, I'm not sure this formula applies to internal martial artists- because of their reliance on jing/chi, the formula may suggest an ejaculatory frequency that is too often/much. Something to think about.

[red_fists]

Hi.

From what I heard and read it takes 4 Days for the Body to recover the lost Chi.

Which also seems to correspond with the secual practices taught and recommended worldwide by multiple Cultures.

Said that any excess buildup will unbalance your Body.

Formulas I don't think that there are reliable formulas to calculate the stuff, but you should rather rely on what your Body tells you.

Yes, there are great chemical changes happening in your Body during Sex, and it is those that affect your Chi Level.

The Kama Sutra also talks about stealing somebodies energy during Sex, as do other Asian Pillow Books.

Personally I think that the time of abstinence was recommendet as a cleansing/purification method similar to prolonged "fasting periods" rather than a way to increase the Chi.

From what I learned you cannot increase on the 3 basic Chi's, but you can learn to use them more effective.
Said that I found that many great MA Masters all fathered quiet a few Kids.

Hmmmm.

[Kristoffer]

I think that sex GIVES u energy, not the other way around. sorry

[Nexus]

Kristoffer, you are correct, but the concern here is on ejaculation and not on the sex itself. Sex in and of itself is fine, and women build up jing by having orgasms. But men lose energy by ejaculation, but you can have as much sex as you'd like.

[dfedorko@mindspring.com]

I noticed that no one touched your question. Understand that we are just dicussing and no one really has the correct answer. We, I believe, concerning this subject, are talking warrior mode. I remember my Tae Kwon Do Master telling us that if we do the "deed" to perform it at night because if we would do it during the day we would be weak and if we had a confrontation we would lose. Truthfully, that statement has stuck with me for 20 + years. I believe today.

As for the formula I mentioned earlier, you can play around all the time just don't ejaculate. Very easy to say but hard to do. I can honestly say I completed the training concerning the formula. My mind was playing games with me the entire time but I managed to overcome the games. I am 55 at this writing and I do the "deed" every 11 days. The difference is that I don't feel any different then when I began to do the "deed". I am not tired, don't want to sleep etc.

But I am not a woman so I really can't answer you but, at least, you know more about how men act.

xiaotiema

[CD Lee]

Out of my area of expertise here, but has there not been modern scientific studies on atheletes and sexual activity recently? When I was into running and racing, these Olympic type people were fanatical about everything, including sitting in one position too long or taking showers and such. (Marty Liquori)

Could the power of the mind cause actual manifestations in us? If I belived for instance that ejaculation built power internally, and made sure I did it three times a day, would I be more healthy believing that, versus a sickly guy who gets it once every two months? Just throwing out some ideas.

Also, nobody really adressed the question from the nice lady. What about a woman? Women train, and some are very strong and powerful without big muscles. I practiced with a lady in class that was 135 lbs, and she was like a friggin piece of steel. I swear, she was honest to God, harder to move than 220+ men in the same class.

Could I kick any pornstars @ss just because I have more chi? I am skeptical to a point.

[TaiChiBob]

The Taoist teacher i have studied with counseled that we should take our cues from nature.. during periods of abstinence watch for that "expressive dream", that is the body telling you that the vessel is full.. nature insisting that too much must be "too much"..
to supress such a basic natural function as to cause nature to take over while sleeping is a strong indication that there are extremes beyond which no benefit is derived.. of course, there is the wisdom of timing, the sensing of our own personal cycles and the knowledge born of experience.. i don't believe there is some specific formula that works for everyone, but i know from experience what excess is to me, i feel my optimum levels of energy and i try to use sound Tantric practices to maximize my whole experience..
During Iron Palm initial training (4 months) the restriction imposed on sexual activity has its obvious merits, the transformation of tissue, the itchy impatience to burn off that unfulfilled desire and the resulting adherence to training schedules.. but, there was the light at the end of the tunnel.. so, i suppose that there are benefits for short periods of abstinence, but as has been stated previously "balance" is what we are striving for.. wherever there is a benefit gained by extremes nature extracts a price in the opposite direction.. "balance"..

[prana]

Stacey,

how about women? I havent ever ejaculated. Does this make me superpowerfull? Are my circles open?

You bleed every month, and possibly feeling weak ? Women lose red energy, men lose white.