hi all, i'm new
Wwhat do you all think of Bruce, comming from a kung fu and philosophy point of view?. i know that a lot of people don't like his jeet kune do,
anyway jus curious
thanks
fish
hi all, i'm new
Wwhat do you all think of Bruce, comming from a kung fu and philosophy point of view?. i know that a lot of people don't like his jeet kune do,
anyway jus curious
thanks
fish
My view of Lee Siu Long (Bruce Lee) is that he is highly over rated. Sure he may have trained hard, but did he train "smart"? Did he know anything about internal training, did he bring anything new to martial arts? It doesn't seem like it.
Because he was the first real martial arts star in the west, he is idolized by many people.
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Paul , bruce learned wu style tai chi from his father and he had internal training .Originally Posted by Paul Skrypichayko
He did train smart , that ' s why he was the greatest . Paul did you write a book before on kung fu ? And Paul if you ever read all the materials like books on bruce all written by people who know him , they ' ll tell you that he was the greatest .
Everything about bruce is all comming out into the open , through books and new documentries being produced by the people who really knew about him . I ' m sure you saw his JKD book who did ' nt . His book contained his own research and investigation on his own art . And JKD was around from the time he began to develop it until the day he died . If you don ' t know that , then where were you ?
Just because you don ' t like bruce don ' t condemn him . If you can do better than him lets see it , then we ' ll shut up .
Mouthboxer Deprogammer
Bruce Lee is dead, buried and rotten.
Ozzy is still alive as is Keith Richards.
For all the training, talking, etc that Bruce Lee did, he is dead, buried and rotten.
Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Bruce Lee was the reason I got interested in MA and that goes for countless people.
He was not the reason I stayed of course, but without Him I never would have been interested in it.
It's just that simple.
Beyond that, MA-wise, anyone that downplays what Bruce did as a MA in terms of, well, anything, I question their motives.
Was he the Best? Nope.
Was he good enough that even the likes of Norris, Lewis and others respected Him? YES.
Did his MA legacy out live him? Yes.
Enough said for me.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Paul I disagree with you, you said that does he know anything about internal training, well I think his 1 inch punch explains it. I'm not too sure when you said did he trained "smart"?
just giving my opinion dude. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
i have seen a picture of him breaking bricks with a phoenix eye stike, thats pretty strong internal and external training.
but i agree with paul... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Bruce Lee, internal? I dont think so...
How come he lived to such a ripe old age? How come he was burned out and in such poor health? It seems like he understood simple physical and external training, but none of the techniques you mentioned require any internal power.
But Paul do you think Bruce Lee is a good fighter and do you think he knows whats he's doing or do you think he's more show.
****....... that's hardcore. and what's this about him knowing nothing of the internal? i read a biography that had his wife linda stating that he meditated several hours a day. and i wouldn't go so far as to say he was in poor shape. look at him in "enter the dragon", which was completed just before he died. seems to be in pretty good shape to me..... his abs looked like potatoes! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
"Where choice is set between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence...... I prefer to use arms in defense of honor rather than remain the vile witness of dishonor"
Mohandas Gandhi
I think his meditation was more in line with "I'm the greatest I'm the greatest I'm famous Everybody loves me I'm the greatest" idea than "Aummmm, I'mm inn tunnne wiiith theeee uunniiiveeeerrrrrrrsssse" kinda thing.
The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
-- Hong Kong Phooey
interesting.
personally i think he has to be one of the best martial artists ever, with execptions to some of the grandmasters etc. Has anyone read the tao of jeet kune do... i love it
fish
There is a difference between external appearance and internal health.
Look at competition bodybuilders for example-- they appear to be in amazing physical shape, but while competing are actually in poor condition and some even kill themselves as a result of their diets and dehydration..
Have to agree with denali's post.
The appearance of being in top physical shape and physical conditioning, and just plain being in prime health, are two things that can be very different.
Bruce Lee, at least in his pre-martial arts movie years, trained very hard. But so had a lot of the experts and masters, only their stories haven't been told and retold the world over. And many of the older masters had tested their fighting resolve, armed or unarmed, in battlefield/wartime conditions.
Me? I think Bruce Lee was definitely legit as far as possessing true kung fu and other skill. IMO he was a real expert, although not necessarily a top authority on any single one of the arts he drew from. I think he was still developing as a martial artist, and was not yet a so-called "master."
As far as internal/external training, I won't comment on Bruce Lee's knowledge, but I will say that he often contradicted himself. He would openly call internal training and meditation "mystical mumbo-jumbo" then on his own emphasize meditation for himself (Dan Inosanto himself stated this). He would talk about the virtues of the man who does not seek fame, but peace within himself. But then he ended up putting the pursuit of fame above almost all else, and seemed NOT to have been a very peaceful person within himself while alive.
He also had a weird type of electrical machine he would plug himself into to exercise his muscles with shocks. I don't care who you are, this cannot be anything but bad for the nervous system, as our bodies our controlled by naturally-occurring electrical impulses from the brain. This might have worsened any possible predisposition for epilepsy, though I'm not a doctor and I can't say for certain.
Lastly, he did eat cannabis that was cooked into brownies. He felt cannabis helped him relax, but he though smoking it was bad for the health, so eating it in brownies was healthier. When I first learned of this I was shocked, because I had always thought he was a health nut.
Maybe I will **** people off with this post, but it doesn't mean any disrespect to Lee, only to point out he was human and not perfect. There are some people who actually tried to compare Bruce Lee and his influence to that of Jesus Christ, which is crazy. Besides, I think Lee would have scoffed at people trying to worship him, copy him, and hang on his every word without following their own hearts.
Jim
I agree with David, Denali, and Jimbo. Bruce Lee's physique is phenomenal, nobody can doubt that. I don't know too much about his personality, but it does seem that he was pretty egoistic, and did not know about real meditation.
If you compare him to real masters, I don't think he can stand in their shadows, but in America, he was probably one of the top guys around.
I didn't know about his cannabis habits either. Pretty shocking, but perhaps it was for medicinal purposes since it was taken in it's natural buffered state. I'm not sure what side effects, if any, come from eating cannabis leaves. I know that you can chew a small amount of cocoa leaves to appease hunger, pain, and fatigue, with little or no side effects. Perhaps this is the same ide
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