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    taiji as an internal part of your system.

    why do people that study other systems like wing lam learn taiji, doesnt hung gar have internal as well as his shaolin art, and iron palm?

    is taiji the best chi kung out there.

    peace [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    David Guest
    I see my taiji class as a slow-motion version of my kung fu class and it's this aspect which permits me to see deeper into the mechanics that I like.

    Unfortunately, I've had to quit taiji class to go train kung fu an extra night instead, but I'll still train the taiji I've been shown so far at home.

    I've said elsewhere on this forum that I think southern mantis is equal to taiji. Not many of either style believe the other style is in the same league as their own!

    At advanced levels, I've heard southern mantis practitioners with wildy different opinions - one says taiji will ruin the mantis and the other that it will allow greater appreciation of it. I respect both of these people but I can't see what I'm doing being anything but beneficial.

    The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
    -- Hong Kong Phooey

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    MoQ Guest

    This is an interesting question. ..

    To Hung Ga types, the Iron Wire is as "internal" as it gets. Some local "experts" have even questioned the validity of moving meditation in general...

    Tai Chi people barely allow anyone else to use the term...

    Is a system "internal" only by way of chi gung? Can anyone transform their practice to "internal" by adding a little Tai Chi?

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    thanks david, moq

    i think that every kung fu style, be it internal or external has chi cultivation. i dont know much about the hung gar style but at some stage it has to develop cultivate chi. either externally or internally.


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    Longquan Guest

    Power Generation

    I am not very familiar with SPM... so I cannot comment on its power generation and I am not an expert in neijia, but here it goes...

    Neijia are not internal because of qigong but because of neijin. Neijin is the expression of ground strength via a(n) articulate dantien(s).

    If you change the means of power generation, you change the art. So, mixing neijia and waijia usually creates a conflicting situation.

    As far as tai chi being the "best qigong," there are probably more health-focused or more combat-oriented qigong systems (specialized).

    <HTML>"To the Buddhist, "To be or not to be" is not the question. The question is whether or not you can transcend these notions."
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    meltdawn Guest

    taiji as an internal part of your system.

    Two clarifications: practice or application?

    I don't add my taiji into my lung ying or chang chuan during practice of those styles. I feel it offers me enough internal martial and health aspects on it's own. However, I do benefit from the contrasts it presents to my other styles, and the mechanics of one taiji movement can lend great insights into another of an external style simply because it reminds your body to relax and not meet force with force.

    In application, I believe all fights are stylistically unpredictable outside of the classroom. If you survive by saying "I know taiji", it is only because that move was well-rehearsed and your mind needn't think to bring it out.

    As far as what's better for your system, meaning outside internal influence (that's a doozy!), an attentive student may eventually learn all internal as well as external aspects of his or her chosen style. Kung fu is about balance.

    PS: I've seen plenty of "tai chi" people who have no idea what internal means. Vice/versa.


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    good point melt dawn!

    this is what im trying to say, someone that practises external kung fu are still gaining internal aspects even if the movements are not soft such as taiji, or should they practise taiji to get a balance.


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    David Guest
    I found taiji teaches about parts of the body I never had access to before. Tiny muscles are being conditioned where before I'd just use major groups. If you think about your body you could probably name or point to a relatively small number of muscles. Yet you've got hundreds all begging for something to do.
    I'm not sure if a non-taiji/qigong training method can awaken that kind of self-awareness and development.

    The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
    -- Hong Kong Phooey

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    meltdawn Guest

    It depends..

    David, I understand what you mean.

    As devil's advocate, I believe there are both internal and external aspects of every style.

    In the recent Dragon's List newsletter, Gin Foon Mark talked about "traditional" training, versus "modern" training. Two comments expressed were how so many styles appear so different now, but the old masters would fight and you could hardly tell them apart. Also, during that time period, TV and alehouses weren't major social considerations, so one had the time and inclination to devote a vast amount of time and energy into a style.

    But times and countries are different now. I have a mortgage and can't train the way I'd like. So I end up agreeing that my taiji is a way to develop more internal awareness until I am able to devote more time to the style I'd REALLY like to explore.

    But taiji's not all internal. Sometimes I really work it and sweat! As must any martial art be balanced, a taiji practitioner must also be able to execute a form at speed.


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    ive heard of fast forms in taiji. are they taiji moves or do they resemble other arts?


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    meltdawn Guest

    hey fierce

    Same moves, only done at full speed, as they would be in combat.

    Check out Tai Chi Master (Jet Li), Revenge of the Tai Chi Master, Tai Chi 2(Yuen Woo Ping), and New Legend of Shao Lin (Jet Li).

    "What style is THAT?!?" "Is that Tai Chi???" "Oh no! He's doing Tai Chi!"

    I think the impression that taiji should only be practiced slowly stems from the Yang lineage history. It was developed as a less trenuous form af taiji that the nobles could practice. Sort of like how classical fencing evolved. Since it's health benefits proved to be enormous, greater amounts of people started practicing it for that reason.

    So if you get up and do your taiji at the crack of sunrise every day like a good girl -- er, person -- you too can live to be 200 years old.


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    big girl!

    these are only movies man, taiji is not the only internal slow martial art. every REAL MARTIAL ART has internal training or slow moving meditations.

    in order to have a balance of yin and yang, still i have seen those movies and they are great! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    meltdawn Guest

    What IS your deal?

    For a moment I thought you were going to be a civil human being. Where did you read ANY challenge in that post?!?

    Wanna name some other internal arts? Again, You give half-answers. Sigh, why do I even try...


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    meltdawn sorry dude!

    well this kfo is getting to me, i ask questions about thing i know and dont know, i like to talk about many subject kung fu related to see other peoples views. i get ****ed at some when they have ago back.
    i like reading you post MOST of the times.

    take it easy


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    David Guest


    In my kung fu, there are slow forms and fast forms and forms which start slow and become fast as ability .
    You can't get the flavour of a standard (faster) kung fu form if I do it too slow.

    Taiji is different because I can vary the speed from zero to 100 at will depending on what I want. I've sweated in taiji nearly as much as kung fu and after some lessons my legs have been aching for days like after my first kung fu lessons.

    The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
    -- Hong Kong Phooey

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