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  1. #46
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    Question Maoshan what bdo you think

    Yo, maoshan go take a look of john painter So-called Baguazhang sifu solo pictrue.The man don't have a right ear. What Bull$hit".
    Is his Sifu the one ear BaGuaZhang master. I think Painter should have took a class in cut and paste.

    What do you think Maoshan?

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    Yo,
    I don't Know why he did this but, you can tell that when the head was cut from the original background that the ear was cut or erased from the picture. If you look at the right side of the head it's a little blurry. The picture is a frontal shot. the same shot in all three pictures. All three missing that right ear. Also you can see in the student teacher pic where the head connects to the body at the neck. There's a horizontal line that ends at the shoulder on the left.
    The body walking the circle is not the body seated. I could go on,
    but the damage is done.

    Why did he do this? I can't figure it.

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    Well I already spouted off about what he teaches, but man....those pics are pathetic. The contrast, angle of light reflection, and proportion don't match the rest of the pics. The identical expression and face angle are probably the worst. The hair is cropped poorly and looks to have been filled with a color dropper mask. I hope these are the work of his webmaster or something rather than him. Oy ve.

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    Shin

    I agree the website is weak. The portrait is obviously a section from the picture of the man circlewalking. And it does appear the seated man in the bai si photo has a different body than the man circle walking. But what I don't understand is why someone with 40 plus years in and a huge following of students needs to fabricate lineage and credentials to promote what he does. Too bad, so to the orignal poster (tnglng), I agree that kind of promotion is in bad taste. Gompa/Biff/Dr./Captain Painter. If you are looking in, I didn't think the article was bad, but could you address the website issues?
    Count

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    Hey Maoshan, BT,
    Maybe the teacher had his ear bit off in a fight?
    Count

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  6. #51

    black taoist&mao shan

    i could not help revisting this,
    the photo of li long dao walking the circle,
    looks like it actually may be painters body with the head of an oriental person pasted on,
    who founded the texas rangers?
    j.painter did.
    doctor of what? i mean to say that in the usa it`s common practice to refer to someone with a p.h.d. as doctor,
    to achieve this he would have to give a dissertation,perhaps he could make this public and the collage where he received his doctorial degree,after all,
    i may be a perspective student,and would like to verify who i`m training with before i put down my hard earned cash.
    i beleave the six flags employee part,

    if you can`t dazzle them with brillance,baffle them with bull****.
    - a lawyer i once knew

    to black taoist and mao shan,thank you for keeping it real.
    we are a much more educated consumer,that b.s. would have worked twenty,or even fifteen years ago.

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    Lightbulb Logic is Logic

    Count) Hey Maoshan, BT,
    Maybe the teacher had his ear bit off in a fight?

    BT) Maybe his teacher met big mike tyson when he was a kid, up coming in boxing.

    I just don't understand why John Painter would put them fake pictures up. Today I show the pictures to a few Chinese friends of mys. Boy did they LOL.

    Anybody with some logic can see that is John Painter body in them pictures. The walk the circle photo tells it all.

    The more I look at Painter photos the more fallacious things I see. If you guys look at the banner on the right side of his teacher, You see that the banner only reads BaGuaZhang in Chinese. The banner should have feature his teacher family style name. This is the first thing my sifu point out to me when I show him the photo. After all Painter says his BaGuaZhang is a part of a family system that teach BaGua, Hsing YI, and Tai Chi. Hey Maoshun you want to hit more on this? LOL....

    Redfist) you are so right". to black taoist and maoshan,thank you for keeping it real.
    we are a much more educated consumer,that b.s. would have worked twenty,or even fifteen years ago.

    You can't fool the traditional comsumer of internal martial arts. with bull$hit pictures and cut and paste general BaguaZhang banner. $hit" even the banner is a cut and paste job.

    People do any thing to make money in a America.......

  8. #53

    did I start this?

    When I made the original post, I had not seen Painter's website yet. It is worse than I would have imagined. Having said that, none of what we say or do here will affect his large following of students.

    There will always be two kinds of people in the world: the cheaters and the cheated. Many people will see this website with its fancy school with pretty statues and talk about numerous gun and knife fights, blah blah blah. Those kind of people want to be cheated, and there will always be those ready to do the cheating. Blind followers just annoy me, what can I say.

    Count, you asked how my teacher promoted himself, he really didn't at all. A language barrier prevented him from reaching many non-Chinese, which worked out well for me. Unfortunately he passed away only 1 month ago. This is a sensitive issue for me now. Hence my original post, I found that stuff so distasteful.

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    Hey BT. Others have said it, but thanks for keeping it real, man.

    I just looked at the banner in the teacher/student photo, and the banner in Chinese reads "Jiu Long Ba Gua Zhang" (9 dragon baguazhang), not simply "Ba Gua Zhang". Maybe that is what you meant though, and it should have something more on it. Sorry if I'm mistaken--just an observation.

    Thanks again BT.
    "Duifang jing zhi meng ji, wo fang tui zhi ce fang xi zhi."

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    Thumbs up Your observation is right

    Taijiquan Student) I just looked at the banner in the teacher/student photo, and the banner in Chinese reads "Jiu Long Ba Gua Zhang" (9 dragon baguazhang), not simply "Ba Gua Zhang". Maybe that is what you meant though

    BT) That is what I meant to say. But I thought most people would know that the top of the banner reads jiu long . But I should have point that out in my post reply. My Bag".

    But no matter what his banner should have more characters on it".

    Peace Taijiquan student.

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    Hey tnglng!

    Deepest sympathy over the loss of your teacher. I know that's a hard one. Your profile says 17 years, was that all with him?

    I'm am fortunate that not only does my teacher speak english well, his grasp of language is so good that even when he is speaking Chinese, I understand what he is saying. And he is not the commercial type at all. In fact, we don't even have a school right now.

    Anyway, I knew this was a touchy political subject. We haven't even heard from the ones on the forum who do study that system yet. That's why I questioned it as your first post. But I understand how you might feel that way. Again, sorry for your loss and welcome to KFO!
    Count

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    You know over the years I read just about every thing painter wrote On Ba-Gua from his first published work in inside kung-fu
    until recently. Like Count said: With all you've established how could you?, Why would you? I've always had a problem with the lineage. Now the rep with the true IMA is utterly destroyed and I won't stand with him

    I don't have the computor skills that some of you guys have but in my posession among my library I have the pictures of painter in the seated pic as well as circle walking pic the head is superimposed.
    Also If that is the grandmaster that he always wrote about, than the Banner is quite wrong. Because his ba-gua is apart of the system that the Li family was supposed to teach. and I can't remember the name that he gave for it and i just don't feel like looking for it.
    All in the name of money?
    I would have felt that he had more intregaty than that. Ba-Gua is the world to me. By our conversations I thought it was thye same with him. How wrong I was.
    But as all of ya'll know, we keep it real. and because of that fact
    I can't keep quiet about this. I won't go all the way to the wall with this, but I will say, IT'S ALL A FRAUD and has been.

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    Maoshan I call you later. As for John painter I have no more to say. I know the truth. If people want to learn from him, may god be with them.

    Peace All.

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    You've got the originals? Can you upload them here?

    Holy sh!t! Why would he fake some pictures if someone out there had the originals? That is idiocy!

    You know, Painter and some others have a hard enough time proving lineage without resorting to that. It just makes it look like he's been lying the whole time, even if he hasn't been.

    I showed those pic's to a friend of mine, who pointed out some other things. Basically, they all pointed to the pic's being really bad fakes. I have seen some of the work my friend has done with photoshop filters and stuff, and he does WAY better fakes than whoever did Painter's pic's. You have to blow his up several times to see the touchups, and he isn't even a pro. (My friend does celebrity fake porno shots, not martial arts lineage fake pic's.)

    One thing I noticed is that the gray border around the calligraphy is thinner on one side than on another. If it were real, the thing would be framed perfectly centered. Besides that, as noted before, the writing is too crisp and bold.

    In any case, he could have at least enlarged the dude's head a bit. The only people with bodies that big and heads that small I have ever seen were freaks in a movie. (Actually, the movie Freaks, about a carnival.)

    I really want to see the originals, though. That would prove everything. Or disprove it. Whichever.

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    blacktaoist

    maybe his head is on the pic of Lee Harvey Oswald, maybe he shot kennedy? lol

    everything is fake even the banner with the characters isnt sitting in the centre properly.

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