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    I'm talking to a friend of mine right now. He's telling me about the marine martial arts program. the belts are as follows: Tan, green, brown and black. they have certain requirements you have to learn for certain ranks, as with any style, but the reqs are different. For his tan belt, he had to learn leg sweeps - yes all, like the KUNG FU sweeps, various throws, chokes and basic punches and gun and knife training. the system is called MACMAP (sp?)

    Later this week, he's gonna come by and we're gonna work a little bit. He was describing some of the combat throws to me and I said "That sounds like shuai chiao" He said that it probably was, as his instructor told him that a lot of their stuff was heavily influenced by the chinese.
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    From the little that I have read about it, I think they took techniques from Judo and some other Japanese arts. Who knows though. There is also supposedly a fairly large emphasis put on bayonet training.

    I wish they would have had something that cool when I was in the Marines.

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    he did mention bayonet. I think the throwing is shuai chiao though. He was saying that they did some chin na also. I'll see when we work out.
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    It would be cool if you could report back on what it's like. I'm really curious about it.

    It sounds like every Marine is going to be trained in the new Marine martial arts program. It's not like the old LINE system which was given lip service but not really trained unless you happened to be in a combat unit (and I'm not sure how much it was trained even then).

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    careful boys, ya dont want to let Ego whatevr his name is see this one, he'll start his northrn kung fu crap.
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    He said they do body hardening too, by striking body parts.
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    I don't think any serious millitary force will empazise alot of training in UN-armed combat
    I'm not gonna start this crap again, been here a few times. (it's a ugly road)

    Stick with your martial art and that will give u more than any 'lime'program or McCombat-designed-by-the-millitary-whatever..


    BTW, when I was a kid everyone always said that u train JUDO and BOXING in the m's. Nothin fancy. Yeah sure, let's go learn what was it now? Northen Shaolin, Chin Na, shuai Shiao, and all them hookey programs? ..and knife and bayonett training? yeah, that sounds great. keep it up!

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    Kristoffer,

    Well you did start it again, and you're wrong.

    MOST military units use their H2H as a training device to build aggression. These units train minimally, usually during their initial infantry training and that's it.

    A FEW military units train their H2H as a "worst case scenario tool" because they operate behind enemy lines often or alone without unit support. H2H is more important to these people, but still a lot has go to go wrong to get to that situation. Many SpecOp units would fall into this category. Some sniper and pilot programs might also emphasize this kind of training. Training is consistant throughout their service, but it is low on the list of priority skills.

    VERY, VERY FEW units actually specialize in missions where H2H is a vital element to their mission success. Abduction/Arresting/Assassination teams in the SpecOp community and some military bodyguards need and use their H2H very regularly. Training among these groups is consistant, strongly emphasized, and of high quality.

    So you are right in most cases, but there are notable exceptions to your sweeping statement.
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    This should put the controversey of military training (at least in the U.S. to rest.
    If the Americans had Conducted the Raid at Entebbe
    The Rangers would have killed everyone and blown up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
    The Special Forces would **** everyone and blow up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in sarejevo
    The Seals would still be trying to swim up Victoria falls when the highjackers blew up the plane and the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
    Force Recon would still be trying to figure out the radio when the highjackers blew up the plane and the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
    Delta Force would be playing bumper cars with blackhawks and C130s when the highjackers blew up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
    Para Rescue would rescue the pilots, **** everyone and blow up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
    Hope this puts things to rest.
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    Ah, good old American incompetance


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    The 3 Weirdest Ways Iran's Military Uses Martial Arts


    (Reza Dehshiri via WikiMedia Commons)
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    We Are The Mighty | By Alex Hollings

    In the modern world, most nations cultivate a variety of martial arts disciplines within their borders, not as a formal effort of the government, but rather as a byproduct of public interest. Here in the United States, motivated students can find places to study anything from Japanese Karate to Israeli Krav Maga at their local strip mall, so it should come as no surprise that the military has also come to adopt a variety of disciplines into its own approach to martial arts-based combat.

    The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program, as one example, borrows from no fewer than 17 distinct martial arts disciplines, ranging from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to Kung Fu, to ensure Marines are as capable in hand-to-hand combat as they are with their rifles.

    Iran has also placed an emphasis on martial arts for the sake of defense, though like the nation's military apparatus itself, their approach has been heavily informed by their culture, internal politics, and unusual military hierarchy, resulting in less than stellar results.

    1. Iran has allegedly forced martial arts instructors to work as assassins


    These guys look exactly like the generals that would show up in a movie with that plot. (Mohammad Akhlaghi via WikiMedia Commons)

    According to a cable sent from the U.S. embassy in Azerbaijan's Baku Mission that was revealed by WikiLeaks, the Iranian government expects martial arts schools and clubs to serve in the role of "enforcers" when it comes to stemming public dissent, but that's far from the worst that's been pressed upon martial arts instructors.

    The wire, which came with the decidedly metal headline of, "IRAN: NINJA BLACK BELT MASTER DETAILS USE OF MARTIAL ARTS CLUBS FOR REPRESSION," goes on to claim that the "ninja black belt master" in question knew of at least one instructor that "was used by the Intelligence service to murder at least six different individuals over the course of several months." These alleged victims were referred to as "young intellectuals" and "pro-democracy activists."

    2. The Iranian government built an all-female, 3,500 strong ninja-army



    Women in Iran may not enjoy the same rights or parity that can be found in Western nations like the United States, but that's not to say that the Iranian government doesn't occasionally recognize a woman's ability to kick ass for their benefit. Most women may not be allowed to travel outside of their homes without a male escort, but some are trained in Japanese Ninjutsu to become stealthy assassins for their government.

    In 2012, 3,500 women were registered to begin their training to become ninjas, according to a segment produced for Iran's state-run media. Some in the United States have opined that Iran permits this training as a means to appease their stifled female population, but it seems more likely that Iran's government believes it has a use for women that can fight.

    The video of these women training may seem cheesy, but their form actually looks a lot better than some of Iran's highly trained Special Operations troops…
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    Continued from previous post

    3. Iran’s Special Operators were defeated by pottery



    Every nation occasionally releases motivational videos of their highly trained troops executing unusual techniques. The U.S. does insertion and extraction demonstrations with special operators at SOFIC in Tampa, Florida each year. Russia releases footage of their troops shooting live rounds at each other, and Iran… well, Iran's special operators can be seen in this video losing a fight to a vase.

    In the video, Iranian officials are shown looking on as men that have been referred to by a number of news outlets as Special Operations troops execute a series of dramatic spin kicks and even spinning back-hands to a vase that simply refuses to break.

    Eventually, the troops set the intact vase down and bow as their clearly disappointed superiors look on. It wouldn't be fair to say that this demonstration characterizes all of Iran's military martial arts efforts, but if these generals were smart, they probably forgot about the demonstration and went straight to the guy that made that vase to see if he was interested in getting into the tank business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristoffer View Post
    I don't think any serious millitary force will empazise alot of training in UN-armed combat

    Well, that's quite true. It rings with a comment that I have heard "un-armed combat skill in the military force is not martial art, it is method to kill".
    Militant's objective in battle is to stop his opponent from what he is doing or might do usually by killing.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SevenStar View Post
    I'm talking to a friend of mine right now. He's telling me about the marine martial arts program. the belts are as follows: Tan, green, brown and black. they have certain requirements you have to learn for certain ranks, as with any style, but the reqs are different. For his tan belt, he had to learn leg sweeps - yes all, like the KUNG FU sweeps, various throws, chokes and basic punches and gun and knife training. the system is called MACMAP (sp?)

    Later this week, he's gonna come by and we're gonna work a little bit. He was describing some of the combat throws to me and I said "That sounds like shuai chiao" He said that it probably was, as his instructor told him that a lot of their stuff was heavily influenced by the chinese.
    MCMAP is a hybrid training programme incorporating elements of BJJ, Judo, Jujitsu, etc and it is 'formalized' to teach basic self defense. Prior to MCMAP, commands used those Marines who had rank in some disciples to teach said programs but it was only restricted to that duty station. The basic Marine was always, is and forever a rifleman in battle..

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