Roy Jones Jr fight...very interesting!

[BAI HE]

LW Legit?
Please, it's a sheet division. Jones's speed alone could win that division half asleep and does. Poor showtime. What did they sign Roy to???????????????????

Do you doubt that Bernard could demolish half the chumps in that division? Look at their records. Sheet.

I don't. There is one young Super to watch, his name is Jeff Lacy.

[Mr. Nemo]

Bai He: I never said the fighters I mentioned were better than Hopkins, just that they were good. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't understand your argument, anyway. You're saying that RJJ is the "most talented fighter in the world", yet Hopkins would beat him? I don't understand.

As for Roy ducking hopkins, that may have some truth to it, Roy doesn't like hard fights. On that issue I agree with you.

The issue that I DISAGREED with with blacktaoist was that he hasn't fought anyone good. He has.

In addition, in my opinion he would beat Hopkins if they fought.

[blacktaoist]

Go on Mr.Nemo,
All hardcore boxing fans Know roy is very content to live off of his accomplishments that took place so long ago that they no longer matter

Thats all Roy Jones talk about since he unified the crown in '99. People don't want to hear his bull$hit any more, people want to see him fight, hard fights". Sorry if I said the boxers was not skill Mr. nemo. What I should have said was Roy loves to fight normal boxers he know he can beat. Like I said Roy fights are all ways mismatch. Easy fights thats why he looks so good.

But I have to thank Roy. He made me alot of money,I always bet on Roy when he fights, because I know its easy money........LOL

I wish I can go back in time and bring back some Boxers that I know would have kick Roy ass: Boxers like Ray Mancini or Edwin Rosario theses guys would had did a number on Roy.

Bottom line is Roy need to fight skilled fighters that are known and take the fight to him hard, fighters like Floyed May weather, Ricardo Lopez , Oscar De La Hoya, Fexlix Trinidad and Fernando Vargas theses guys have been out there for a long time for big Bad Roy, But Roy loves the easy way of making money.

[BAI HE]

RJJ is great but
I'll take the guy with less talent
that works harder any day of the week.
Bernard trains hardcore just like Hagler did.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh, but Bernard's been denied the
spotlight for too long. He's always been an outsider in the
boxing world. He's too opinionated and honest for his own good.

Peace, Pete.

[BAI HE]

Nice to hear Rosario's name.
Remember the can he opened on Livingstone
"Pitbull" Bramble way back?
****.

[SanShou Guru]

Here is an artical form someone who knows more about the sport of Boxing than any of us on this page:

Max: Dominant Jones is one of greatest ever

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By Max Kellerman
Special to ESPN.com


Fifty years from now, there will be another who is compared to him. The type of phenom who dominates so thoroughly and with such ease that a future generation of boxing fans will proclaim him a candidate for Most Talented Fighter Ever. And we who are still around will throw cold water on that proclamation by saying, "Son, I once saw Roy Jones Jr. knock a man out with his hands behind his back." Thank God for video tape.

Bernard Hopkins set the all-time record for middleweight title defenses by thoroughly dominating and eventually stopping the very solid Carl Daniels. Hopkins broke Carlos Monzon's record of 14 defenses, a record he had tied in his last fight, a knockout of Felix Trinidad. In his last three fights, against Keith Holmes, Trinidad and Daniels, Hopkins has arguably not lost a round (by my count he's lost only three or four out of 33). Holmes is good fighter, so is Daniels, and Trinidad is a great one. Very impressive stuff from our middleweight champ. In fact, the three most dominant middleweight champions of the last 35 years have been Carlos Monzon (champ 1970-1977), Marvin Hagler (champ 1979-1987) and Bernard Hopkins (champ 1994-2002 and counting). Lucky for Monzon and Hagler that they did not have to compete against Roy Jones Jr.

Anyone who competes against Roy loses. He has unfair natural, physical advantages in speed and power. And he combines his advantages with his own brand of unorthodox skill. Emanuel Steward pointed out during Roy's demolition of Glen Kelly (the recipient of RJ's the-hands-behind-the-back-are-quicker-than-the-eye trick) that Thomas Hearns' style would have created problems for Roy, and Steward is probably right. There are always fighters one can chose throughout history that had the right style to give another fighter trouble. So Hearns would have given Roy trouble. Maybe. Roy would have smoked Sugar Ray Leonard. He would have easily out-slicked Marvin Hagler. The question is whether gigantic light heavyweights like Bob Foster and Michael Spinks could have beaten Roy Jones. The real question is whether they could have even hit him.

Bernard Hopkins is like a Don Mattingly or an Emmitt Smith. Mattingly and Smith were the best their sports had to offer in a given era. In their primes they were both great. But neither made us imagine that we might be watching the greatest who ever did it. Bernard Hopkins fits right in with the greatest middleweights from any era. Roy Jones Jr. makes us wonder if we are watching the greatest fighter of all-time. Roy draws comparisons not only with Sugar Ray Robinson, but with Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan.

Does Roy Jones deserve this kind of electronic press after playing with an overmatched, some would argue "club" fighter like Glen Kelly (even if Kelly is really a cruiserweight in light heavyweight's clothing)? Does Roy's stunt against Kelly deserve to lead this article over Hopkins domination against Daniels? No and no. But I cannot help it.

I thought when Roy dropped Kelly with a left hand to the body, that the most spectacular thing he would do that night had just occurred. But in the seventh round, Roy retreated to the ropes, put both hands behind his back and leaned forward. Kelly threw two punches. Roy slipped them both and then tossed a lightning quick, half-hearted right hand -- almost an afterthought -- as he was moving away to his right. The punch landed high on Kelly's head and ended the fight. One of the most spectacular things I have ever seen in a boxing ring.

So what you say? It's only Glen Kelly, not a top guy in the division. Fine. Do not put the clip of Roy knocking out Kelly alongside the clips of the right hand that floored Reggie Johnson, the left hand that knocked out Montell Griffin, and the right to the body that knocked out Virgil Hill, three of the top 10 guys at light heavyweight over the last 10 years. Y'all must've forgot.

I have debated a lot of boxing with Russell Peltz, the famous promoter out of Philadelphia. Russell is the guy who put together those great fights at the Blue Horizon for USA Network's old Tuesday Night Fights. He has since served as ESPN2's matchmaker for our Friday Night Fights series. One time we were debating the current state of the game and he told me that the super middleweight division is underrated, and then in the next breath that Roy Jones Jr. is overrated. The super middleweight division, he told me, had fighters like Sven Ottke, (who Russell and I agreed is a very good fighter and is probably the class of the 168-pound division), and Thomas Tate, a world-class fighter who lost a controversial fight to Ottke in Germany for Ottke's super middleweight belt. Roy defended his middleweight title against Tate in 1994, and it was mismatch. Roy blew him out in two rounds. How can Roy be overrated when one of the top dogs in an underrated division couldn't survive the second round against him?

I do not think that Bernard Hopkins can beat Roy Jones. However, out of every fighter in the world south of heavyweight, Hopkins has the best chance to do it. I thought the same thing about Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest, that Shane would win, but if anyone could beat Shane it was Vernon. Vernon beat Shane. Roy wants a 60/40 split for a fight with Bernard. Bernard wants to split up the money 50/50. Why don't we call it 55/45 and get this thing on.

[BAI HE]

I agree with some of that.

[CD Lee]

Dude! We did it. We took it to the MAX! Not bad for a Kung Fu forum.

[blacktaoist]

I also agree, I'm not taking anything away from Roy. The man has skills. My point is I like to see him fight a boxer on his skill level.

On a Side note, You guys know Roy must have invented his on style of chicken Boxing. Maybe thats why its so hard for other boxers to hit his ass". You can tell Roy is utilizing more then just boxing.

The best thing I like about roy is how he attacks the body.

[SanShou Guru]

The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented.

[BAI HE]

"You guys know Roy must have invented his on style of chicken Boxing."

He did, he raises fighting ****s all his life and he spars with them
There was an article in Details about it.

Interesting stuff from Kellerman, but he's also no stranger to ripping Roy for the stuff we've discussed already.

RJJ beat Bernard, but don't dis Bernard by not giving
him a shot or saying he's just shooting his mouth off.

He wants Jones. Someday it will happen. I also think
Jones thought Tito was going to do his dirty work for him.

[blacktaoist]

The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented.

BT) man thats just one man opinion of his view, that mains nothing, **** if you read the ring magazine in the special section, whats's ahead for 2002 by Johnnie Whitehead. He tells you the truth, Roy is running. Aboutbody knows there is nobody in lightweight, Roy can beat them guys with one eye. Come on man are you a Boxing fan or what".

He had a Hard time with Hopkins the first time. Yes Roy won the Fight. But he didn't win easy as he claims.

Bernard Hopkins Triumph over Felix Trinidad was an absolute Masterpiece, and in my opinion people were sleeping on his skill level then and still are. But I know Hopkins is going to surprise alot of people this time around by beating Roy.

And for all you Roy Jone fans on kungfuonline, When Hopkins Beat Big Bad Roy,. All I;m going to to tell you guys is I told you So.
Because this time Hopkins is ready for Roy chicken boxing. The man has Roy Number, its only a matter of time".

Peace

[BAI HE]

"The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented."

Bernard may not be at his level but Roy made his name off Bernard and James Toney. He ought to tip the hat and give them a shot as well.
Bernard want's Roy for pride. He's risking an awful lot at his age.
I get the feeling that it's not about the money, it's about respect.
Bernard want's to know in his heart if Roy is better.

So go ahead and hand RJJ the rematch victory if you like. That's just mouth-boxing.
I'm saying until I see him take Bernard apart I ain't buying.

[BAI HE]

Didn't you guys see Rocky III?

"What's a matter with you Balboa?! There is no tomorrow!"
- Apollo Creed

[SanShou Guru]

Of course a great way to hype a big fight when you have the reputation of destroying everybody you can fight is to appear that you are dodging somebody. I hope it is a good fight but I really doubt it will be as close as you guys think.

my $0.02

Hey BT you should bring your team to Ross's event in March unless you still have a phobia about wearing closed gloves.