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10-09-2011, 06:40 PM
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Meihua Lu
I was looking back through the old threads here and discovered that there has been no discussion of the Meihua Lu form since 1/8/2008.
I thought it might be interesting to start a discussion since the form is found in both the Qixing and Greater Meihua lines of mantis. Wong Hon Fan refers to the form as 梅 花 落 (méi huā luò - Plum Flower Falling) in his book series. Most other families refer to the same form as 梅 花 路 (méi huā lù - Plum Flower Road). Here are some videos of the form: Taiji Meihua Tanglangquan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7l3f...h_response_rev http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwc3T0Y8A-g Taiji Tanglangquan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY6VW...el_video_title Qixing Tanglangquan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDYWPAYACI&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dgd...eature=related
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10-10-2011, 05:23 AM
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Interesting clips,
taijitanglangquan is interesting, even looked like a bagua style dragon serving teacup move in there...how mixed are the mainland styles? WHF version is close to CCM version but has an extra run at end. How come we have so many differences between WHF and CCM versions? Paul www.moifa.co.uk
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10-10-2011, 05:46 AM
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This is the cck tcpm version I am learning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IBGGtF04IQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7n_It4tdcc http://www.youtube.com/user/meanliar.../1/rnFxUFyXLNU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pia3VOSXEw0
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10-10-2011, 10:08 AM
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10-10-2011, 11:07 AM
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I have suspected for some time that Mei Hua Lu-Plum Flower Road, is another version of Luanjie.
I don't have any solid proof, to go on, just something I try to keep my eyes open for when looking at the different families and varieties of these two forms. As of yet, I have not found any links in performance that would indicate that they are related. As far as performance; A move near the beginning of both forms called Tyrant takes the helmet in mei hua lu is similar in application to Maiden Threads the Needle of Luanjie. The name Luanjie has also been called MeiHua Lu at least in the QIng Dynasty. Tyrant Takes the Helmet and Mei Hua Lu
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10-11-2011, 01:14 PM
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Kevin is correct that DanZhai MeiHua has nothing to do with Mei Hua Lu, which is created by Jiang Hua Long. Our DZMH has many classic combinations from other forms found in our line such as 12 old hands (I recently learned this form), Bengbu, Lanjie, Jiegun, Bazhou, Zhai Yao. This is interesting in that it shows consistency within the style. There is clearly a thread through the style. DZMH has elements of Zhai Yao in it plus a few more kicks than our other forms. In a sense, this is more of a representation of Sun Yuan Chang's "personal" style to me. Lanjie, Jiegun, DanZhai MeiHua, Bazhou, Zhai Yao is, in my mind, the five petals of the plum blossoms of CCK TCPM. DZMH is the hub or highlight of Sun Yuan Chang's personal style. Warm regard Robert
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10-10-2011, 01:40 PM
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Kevin, Excellent articles on four moves of Meihua Lu at your site!
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10-10-2011, 01:47 PM
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WHF Quan Pu of Meihua Luo
Here is my English translation, along with the pinyin for the Chinese characters, of the Wong Hon Fan version of the quanpu for the form:
WHF Mei Hua Luo Translation Plum Flower Falling 01. Rear Pattern, Double Overturn Palms bei shi shuang fu zhang 02. Topple Power, Catch Cicada Pattern dao shi bu chan shi 03. Enter Ring, Single Arm Claw ru huan dan bi zhao 04. Raise Leg, Thrust at Face Palm ti tui ying mian zhang 05. Penetrating Palm, Seal, Stride Step chuan zhang feng deng yong 06. Rising Pattern, Overturn Bottom, Catch Hold qi shi fan di jie 07. Enter Ring, Right File Palm ru huan you cuo zhang 08. Raise Leg, Right Offer the Peach ti tui you xian tao 09. Enter Ring, Right Rolling Arm ru huan you gun bang 10. Ascend Mountain, Right Uppercut Strike deng shan you cuo chui 11. Enter Circle, Right Waist Cut ru huan you yao zhan 12. Seal Hand, Left Gathering Strike feng shou zuo tong chui 13. Collapse Stance, Left Fill In Strike tun chang zuo bu chui 14. Ascend Mountain, Right Crushing Strike deng shan you beng chui 15. Right Close Door Leg Method you bi men tui fa 16. Ascend Mountain, Ten Character Strike deng shan shi zi chui 17. Pouncing Leg, Left Circle Strike pu tui zuo quan chui 18. Ascend Mountain, Left Crushing Strike deng shan zuo beng chui 19. Seven Star, Left Hook Hand qi xing zuo diao shou 20. Seven Star, Right Fill In Strike qi xing you bu chui 21. Ascend Mountain, Right Returning Palm deng shan you fan zhang 22. Advancing Pattern, Leaking Chop Palm jin shi lou qie zhang 23. Withdraw Step, Left Gathering Strike che bu zuo tong chui 24. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike deng shan you quan chui 25. Ascend Mountain, Right Uppercut Strike deng shan you cuo chui 26. Enter Ring, Right Waist Cut ru huan you yao zhan 27. Gathering Punch, Ten Character Leg tong chui shi zi tui 28. Horse Pattern, Right Split Stop mah shi you pi ga 29. Right Sweeping Wing Kicking Leg you lue chi ti tui 30. Ascend Mountain, Left Straight Gathering deng shan zuo zhi tong 31. Straddle Tiger, Left Single Whip kua hu zuo dan bian 32. Straddle Tiger, Left Hook Hand kua hu zuo diao shou 33. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike deng shan you quan chui 34. Horse Pattern, Leaking, Stop Knee mah shi lou ga xi 35. Right Circle, Single Whip Pattern you quan dan bian shi 36. Ascend Mountain, Right Uppercut Strike deng shan you cuo chui 37. Enter Ring, Right Waist Cut ru huan you yao zhan 38. Ascend Mountain, Right Returning Palm deng shan you fan zhang 39. Middle Pattern, Right Greeting Circle zhong shi you jiao quan 40. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike deng shan you quan chui 41. Ascend Mountain, Right Uppercut Strike deng shan you cuo chui 42. Withdraw Step, Hang, Gathering Strike che bu gua tong chui 43. Ascend Mountain, Right Split Stop deng shan you pi ga 44. Kick Leg, Right Rolling Arm ti tui you gun pang 45. Withdraw Step, Big Wheel che bu da fan che 46. Continue Advancing, Three Pulleys lian jin san lu lo 47. Raise Leg, Left Uppercut Strike ti tui zuo cuo chui 48. Raise Leg, Right Uppercut Strike ti tui you cuo chui 49. Double Seal Hands, Stride Step shuang feng shou deng yong 50. Withdraw Step, Left Carry Palm che bu zuo tiao zhang 51. Withdraw Step, Right Carry Palm che bu you tiao zhang 52. Turn Body, Double Bind Legs zhuan shen shuang kun tui 53. Straddle Tiger, Left Carry Palm kua hu zuo tiao zhang I would love to see the Meihua Tanglangquan quanpu if anyone has it. HINT! HINT! 
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Richard A. Tolson https://www.facebook.com/groups/357219314344817/ 45 years of training and still not there. But every once in a while I get it right! Recovering Forms Junkie! Even my twelve step program has four roads! Yes, I fight in silk pajamas. And I have probably broken more opponent's ribs in my silk pajamas than many others rolling around in their knickers and mittens!
Last edited by mooyingmantis; 10-10-2011 at 01:50 PM.
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10-11-2011, 12:40 AM
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Let me say I hate martial politics and don't want to get into right or wrong.
There are clear differences in forms done by different families of mantis as with every other martial art. It would be nice to have open discussions on the why and how this has happened. Lets be honest its just evolution. On another note, my understanding is that at least hong kong schools often have signature starts or ends or even combinations in there forms to identify their school. Wing Chun and CLF at least have this evolution so I would not be supprised if it happened with mantis as well. WHF group seem to have had alot of cross over with CCK mantis and its welknown that CCM did eagle claw before mantis so as a good great grandstudents of these great masters it would be good to have a better understanding of from where the water flows. Oh before people say ask your sifu, maybe they are too close and traditional to have open disucssions around such topics but surely us western 21st century boys can have mature discussions. Paul www.moifa.co.uk
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10-11-2011, 12:49 PM
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Can you share the differences between the CCM version of Meihua Lu and the WHF version that I posted? Quote:
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10-11-2011, 05:34 AM
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10-11-2011, 06:35 AM
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so what is the meaning of "plum flower" in both these forms? they must be related somehow...just curious
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