Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
The major part of the throw is not the hand movement but the body movement. The throwing Shenfa (body method) requires:

- bend forward to touch your head to your knee.
- bend head down and kick leg up.
- spin your whole body along your spine axis.
- spin your upper body in one direction and spin your low body in opposite direction.
- ...

Those principles and trainings are missing in longfist, mantis, Baji, Tong bei, Zimer, WC, Taiji, XingYi, Bagua, ...
Its missing because most of today's kung fu systems focus too much on forms training and not enough on basic fighting skills, tactics and strategies. The Chinese are notoriously secretive even among their own. Frankly IMHO much is lost in kung fu. Which is why many TCM practitioners can't hold their own against other MA. They only got pieces of an incomplete puzzle; the 'classical mess' Bruce Lee referred.