[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142397]So you cross train? That's fine, but as I said, the Wing Chun system has never had a groundfighting element. That is YOU incorporating it yourself.

Nope, not an ounce of cross training. Merely taking what we do standing up and applying it from the floor. Training with people of other disciplines isn't cross training, its testing. Wing chun is fighting, it can be done from the floor therefore it has groundfighting, goundfighting does not equal grappling. Everything I do on the ground is focused at ending the fight and / or getting back to the feet as quickly as possible and it's all done using the basic toolkit found in the forms, applying the techniques in the same way as most people do (so no hidden grappling moves) just starting in a different position.