AD - shouldnt talk about good wing chun, havent "Seen"it from you, your mouth boxing isnt even that good. your subtleties are not subtle and your allusions are more illusion I think.

Sabu - I disagree, fighting can be necessary, in many cases it might be the only option. I am not trianing wing chun to avoid a fight, I have other better suited skills for that, Wing chun is for when those skills fail.
---------------------------------------red5angel; your comment to ad is unnecessarily personal IMO...I have not seen either good real boxing or mouth boxing knowledge in your posts. And- you have not completely represented sabu's comment either...note the rest-on hurting(as opposed to fighting).