To all you CLF guys out there...

[extrajoseph]

iron_silk,

In Harry Potter's movie "The Philosopher's Stone", there is a Magic Mirror where we can see whatever we desire to see. It is the most dangerous thing we can have - seeing only what we want to see and not what is in front of us.

Chaos Theory says when a butterfly flaps it wing in South America we can feel it in our backayrd. Everything is inter-related, we cannot disconnect our past with our present or the future. We cannot disconnect what we do with how we think.

People think doing Kung Fu has nothing to do with history or Wu De (Martial Virtue), what matter is their Kung Fu. They are only looking at the "martial" side of Kung Fu and ignore the "literary" side of Kung Fu. They cannot see the body-mind connection, they only want to see what they want to see. They cannot see respecting our past is the salvation for our future.

Harry Potter and Chaos butterflies came to my mind when I was reading Nospam. I am sorry to be so obtuse, I was just writing down what was rambling through my mind. It was not an attack on Nospam, it was just my Chaotic mind at work.

JosephX

[cha kuen]

I heard that fight between Ku yu cheong and tarn sam never happened. I would like to believe that it did because it sounds facinating but I'll leave it up in the air.

[Ben Gash]

Joseph's just been at that dodgy batch of acid again
There you go, I'd always thought that the Bak in Bak Sing did mean northern, relating to the Bak Sil Lum aspect. You live and learn.

[extrajoseph]

Ben,

Sorry to be acidic as you put it, can't help it I have been around for too long and saw too many tricks. I didn't say the following but it strikes a common note with me, it came from Via Media, the company that publishes the Journal of Asian Martial Arts:

http://www.goviamedia.com/index.html

"Another influential source that has affected our perception of the Asian martial arts is martial arts instructors themselves. Of the thousands teaching today, most have only a superficial familiarity with the cultures in which the arts they teach originated. As a result, very few instructors have fully grasped the technical, historical, and philosophical fullness of their martial systems."

I am not trying to attack anyone or to divide the CLF community, I am just putting my bit into the system, it beats watching endless television. As you said it, we live and learn.

JosephX

[nospam]

cha kuen,

The story of Tam Sam and Ku Yu Cheung having fought is also up to debate. Some say they never fought, that due to mutual respect and an altruistic belief in propogating gung fu, they challenged tradition and exchanged students. The latter obviously occured.

In my lineage, Ku and Sam fought to a stand-still. I spoke with a representative of Ku's lineage last years and was informed their story goes that Ku & Tam fought, with Ku being the victor. Funny that, as my belief was they did fight, and Tam Sam won, but for political reasons a 'draw' was announced and the exchange of students took place.

As far as I'm concerned, my version occured and alls well that ends well. A good story is had by all to hear.

nospam.

[bean curd]

the buk in buk sing choi li fut has nothing to do with the north, and has everything to do with the location in canton. regarding the fight with ku and tam, you must also read between the chinese characters hahaha.

there are many stories of great sifu never loosing a fight or being totally mo duk or drawing with another well respected sifu. this comes down to understanding the moral character of the writting, more than the actual event that took place, if it ever did.

i could write "watermargin returns" with all the sifu who fought this guy and that guy, but in the end it is the legacy that is left which shows the character of a sifu, especially one who contributes to the martial art world.

what i have been taught over the many years has always been the same, yet i must admit it now amazes me how things are starting to change and now people question what has been accepted by the elders for more years than i can remember.

tam sam was CHOI LI FUT first and foremost, buk sing was brought in for another reason as xtrajoseph has already explained, it was not to make his art different from the core skill of choi li fut.

there are technical differences from buk sing to other choi li fut, in yeuh, ma,bo, choi and especially charp, but it is still choi li fut.

as to lineage holders each to their own, the elders decide who is who, not someone just because of blood, i just train and do what i am told

[nospam]

Yeah, that's my line. History is nice to talk and learn about, but hopefully with each generation, something is enhanced, progressed or even rehashed.

I realise the history of CLF is touchy for many folks in these here parts. I'll bite. It's not that important to me which story is truer than anothers'.

I just like discussing CLF and CMA in general. Understanding through application, I say.

I have a question:

For those CLF players, do you have a variation in stances? I realise many preach low wide stances for training, but when fighting they are raised. I am wondering if folks have what might be referred to as an 'advanced horse' that is used exactly in the same manner as when trained? My lineage does. And my lineage of masters have been quite adamant on its specific training and use for those of an appropriate level.

For the most part it involves sai ping and ding ji ma.

Thx.

nospam.

[extrajoseph]

nospam,

Why don't you tell us a little of what you mean by "advance horse' first?

JosephX

[buksing_king]

Hi there i currently train in choy lay fut buk sing
IN Australia and our school was recently visited by Shane and Vince Lacey

ANYWAYS

Are you talking about the move where you start in horse stance { say ping ma} then put your weight onto your backleg mainly while you twist your torso then slide forward while untwisting?

Or are you talking about when you start off in say ping ma then throw a charp choi or whatever with your back hand while moving into din gee ma and then throw a charp choi with your back hand as you move back into say ping ma ?

[nospam]

Hi.

It's a variation of how the legs are positioned in either stance- more mobile, covers greater distances..spring loaded.

Just curious. Thx

nospam