Go Arizona!

[Drake]

Evidence please.

He may be referring to the jump of murders in El Paso, but that is being done more by hired people crossing over and killing instead of immigrants looking for work.

Which goes back to my original point of securing the borders.

[Drake]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Are we so in love with our HDTVs that we've forgotten what we represent?

[mawali]

Again I say politicians on both sides try to play both sides! Lying pieces of shat, most, if not all of them.

They pretend to be outraged at illegals but allow with impunity, employers of illegals.
A recent law that was passed last year, where both sides, allowed the exclusion of E Verify so as not to **** off illegal employers and no media reported this. If it was reported, it garnered a 5 second play!

Here's a link on the E-Verify safety net no one one to use! Actually, very few use it.
http://www.vancesecurityusa.com/

[1bad65]

Evidence please.

Sure thing.

The murder of Robert Krentz:
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...r_death_033010

Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1

[1bad65]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Are we so in love with our HDTVs that we've forgotten what we represent?

I'm all for LEGAL immigration. It's ILLEGAL immigration we are discussing and what Arizona's law is aimed at. This will not affect LEGAL immigrants at all.

[Drake]

I'm all for LEGAL immigration. It's ILLEGAL immigration we are discussing and what Arizona's law is aimed at. This will not affect LEGAL immigrants at all.

It IS affecting legal immigrants. Have you been following the fallout of the bill in AZ?

[Reality_Check]

Sure thing.

The murder of Robert Krentz:
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...r_death_033010

Phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of the US:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1

The murder of Roberty Krentz is still an open investigation. It could have been a illegal immigrant. It could have been done by drug smugglers.

So, while your allegation that the murder was performed by an illegal immigrant is possible, it is most definitely not a certainty.

Regarding all of the kidnappings done in Phoenix, how many are performed by illegal immigrants? According to your article:

In fact, kidnappings and other crimes connected to the Mexican drug cartels are quickly spreading across the border, from Texas to California. The majority of the victims are either illegal aliens or connected to the drug trade.

As a matter of fact, in that article, illegal immigrants are only mentioned as the victims of kidnappings, not the perpretrators.

Please provide some evidence that illegal immigrants are performing the kidnappings.

[Drake]

The murder of Roberty Krentz is still an open investigation. It could have been a illegal immigrant. It could have been done by drug smugglers.

So, while your allegation that the murder was performed by an illegal immigrant is possible, it is most definitely not a certainty.

Regarding all of the kidnappings done in Phoenix, how many are performed by illegal immigrants? According to your article:



As a matter of fact, in that article, illegal immigrants are only mentioned as the victims of kidnappings, not the perpretrators.

Please provide some evidence that illegal immigrants are performing the kidnappings.

Actually...the immigrants are among those being kidnapped. Received a brief on that from my intel unit there.

[1bad65]

It IS affecting legal immigrants. Have you been following the fallout of the bill in AZ?

The letter of the law in that bill does not affect them. If people are panicking, it doesn't mean the bill affects LEGAL immigrants.

Can you show where the bill itself affects them?

[1bad65]

Actually...the immigrants are among those being kidnapped. Received a brief on that from my intel unit there.

So again, we have a problem that will be solved if this bill is successful at doing what it is aiming for. So what's the problem?

[1bad65]

As a matter of fact, in that article, illegal immigrants are only mentioned as the victims of kidnappings, not the perpretrators.

Please provide some evidence that illegal immigrants are performing the kidnappings.

Even if not one is done by illegals (and I'm not admitting this is true), if they are the targets, law enforcement resources, ie tax dollars, are being spent because of illegal immigrants. Ship em back and save the money. Give those cops more time and resources to protect AMERICANS, not illegal immigrants.

[Reality_Check]

Even if not one is done by illegals (and I'm not admitting this is true), if they are the targets, law enforcement resources, ie tax dollars, are being spent because of illegal immigrants. Ship em back and save the money. Give those cops more time and resources to protect AMERICANS, not illegal immigrants.

Or couldn't the kidnappers then target Americans as the easy prey has dried up? So, to be utterly callous, aren't the illegal immigrants performing a service (albeit an unwilling one) by being the targets of the kidnappings?

[1bad65]

So, we don't pass laws to fix problems we have now because there MIGHT be other problems popping up later?

[Drake]

So, we don't pass laws to fix problems we have now because there MIGHT be other problems popping up later?

The law isn't going to fix anything. Period. Might break a few things, but it won't fix the border problem.

[1bad65]

The law isn't going to fix anything. Period. Might break a few things, but it won't fix the border problem.

I posted a link showing some illegals are indeed leaving Arizona.

What will likely happen is that many will move to other States. So either those States and/or the Federal government will have to act or other States will face the same mess Arizona had to clean up.