SOW CHOY training by Chuck Lidell

[SevenStar]

Does not look as powerful as a real gong fu sow choy,
mainly because of his lack of relaxation and rooting…

Also, since chuck trained kempo and kick boxing, this wouldn't be a sow choy... this would be a boxing punch called an overhand right. swinging punches are not unique to clf.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psxS88aeBYM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3wgEBn3u4U&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIf0A...eature=related


chuck has two versions of it. the typically seen boxing overhand, and the really wide one which you are comparing to a sow choy. this clip from a video game shows the boxing one....I know it's a game, but since it was a one punch KO, you see the punch immediately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rA1b...eature=related

in this clip, you see him throw both punches several times. pay attention at 2:25 and to the replay at 2:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CFrPoLg2vo

[hskwarrior]

in reality, what we're talking about here is ONE SINGLE TCMA technique. its only one. not the whole system.

[esox]

yeah good explanation I'll try my ****dest to keep an open mind, I think much comes down to body shape and mind set I come from a background of western boxing prior to kung fu and I prefer tight, short aggressive forward moving techniques

[TenTigers]

Also, since chuck trained kempo and kick boxing, this wouldn't be a sow choy... this would be a boxing punch called an overhand right. swinging punches are not unique to clf.

Alot of CLF crept into kenpo from Lau Bun's influence, as well as others.

[hskwarrior]

a Lau Bun guy is also part of Lidell's camp as well. Last name of Cook.

[SevenStar]

Alot of CLF crept into kenpo from Lau Bun's influence, as well as others.

kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?

[hskwarrior]

kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?

DIRECTLY with Ed Parker himself. He used to film the Lau Bun lineage performances in L.A. and he also used to come to us to get our Dit Da Jow.

From what i hear, their forms....number four or something of that nature is directly based off of Lau Bun's material.

[Drake]

yeah good explanation I'll try my ****dest to keep an open mind, I think much comes down to body shape and mind set I come from a background of western boxing prior to kung fu and I prefer tight, short aggressive forward moving techniques

You can't just look at a technique and say "that's dumb" without knowing anything about how it's applied.

Well...you can... wouldn't suggest it or anything, but you can...

[San Soo Sifu]

Ask Donovan “Razor” Ruddock & Andrew Golota if Mike Tyson doesn't throw an overhand right punch.

Ask Mike Tyson if Evander Holyfield & Lennox Lewis don't throw overhand right punches.

They were all (real) Boxers. They were all great fighters in their prime. Saying overhand right punches aren't in "Western Boxing," or are not able to be pulled off by a high-level competitor against another high-level competitor is a straw-man argument; as well as factually incorrect.

[Drake]

Ask Donovan “Razor” Ruddock & Andrew Golota if Mike Tyson doesn't throw an overhand right punch.

Ask Mike Tyson if Evander Holyfield & Lennox Lewis don't throw overhand right punches.

They were all (real) Boxers. They were all great fighters in their prime. Saying overhand right punches aren't in "Western Boxing," or are not able to be pulled off by a high-level competitor against another high-level competitor is a straw-man argument; as well as factually incorrect.

Ok, you definitely said that better than me...

[Hardwork108]

If you know the purpose of the technique, then it makes sense. If you don't, then it looks like a wide, predictable swing...

Some years ago I was shown a version of that punch where it is preceded by a swinging uppercut style kung fu punch and another which I cannot recall. I know that it was within the context of a very fast three punch, forward moving, continuous combination. This was just a quick demonstration of a hybrid, yet genuine, kung fu style.

I remember that it was kind of overwhelming as the perceived opening one would expect from such a wide punch were not there, as the previous two punches had closed the "opportunities", as if setting up the opponent for a haymaker.

Is this the purpose of the technique as studied by you?

Anyway, as I saw it, it functioned in a very effective manner. I am relatively new at the current style that I practice but I suspect that I will be introduced to similar techniques as the system has a long range feel to it as compared to the Chow Gar and Wing Chun, in which I have more experience.

[Hardwork108]

Sow Choy's if done right can leave you in a world of trouble. don't EVER underestimate it.

I agree. It is a difficult one to block if you are caught in range and the punch is in full swing, as it can easily collapse one's structure and/or break a blocking limb, on contact.

HW108

[CLFLPstudent]

Some years ago I was shown a version of that punch where it is preceded by a swinging uppercut style kung fu punch and another which I cannot recall. I know that it was within the context of a very fast three punch, forward moving, continuous combination. This was just a quick demonstration of a hybrid, yet genuine, kung fu style.

I remember that it was kind of overwhelming as the perceived opening one would expect from such a wide punch were not there, as the previous two punches had closed the "opportunities", as if setting up the opponent for a haymaker.

Is this the purpose of the technique as studied by you?

Anyway, as I saw it, it functioned in a very effective manner. I am relatively new at the current style that I practice but I suspect that I will be introduced to similar techniques as the system has a long range feel to it as compared to the Chow Gar and Wing Chun, in which I have more experience.

Wow, HW, sounds like you were shown some Lama (Kahp Pow Chyunn, or a variation of such), not a 'hybrid'. Something your friend David Ross knows a little about... But wait - he's a glorified kickboxer! You learned Glorified Kickboxing!

Haha you're a glorified kickboxer HW!

-David

[Hardwork108]

Wow, HW, sounds like you were shown some Lama (Kahp Pow Chyunn, or a variation of such), not a 'hybrid'.

The sifu who showed (not taught) it did not describe it as Lama Pai, where similar techniques exist. He mentioned a hybrid style and even named it, however I don't remember the actual name.

Something your friend David Ross knows a little about...

HIs "little" knowledge can be seen in his one and only post in this thread, meaning that knowing a "little" doesn't count!

However, I know for sure that Grand Master Chan Tai San knew a lot about such techniques, but then he was an authentic kung fu master.

But wait - he's a glorified kickboxer!

Yes he is a glorified Kickboxer, and one can see that from his chosen profession and again, from his own shallow, pompous, not to mention, mediocre, "contribution" to the subject matter of this very thread!

You learned Glorified Kickboxing!

Haha you're a glorified kickboxer HW!

-David

[Dragonzbane76]

DIRECTLY with Ed Parker himself. He used to film the Lau Bun lineage performances in L.A. and he also used to come to us to get our Dit Da Jow.

From what i hear, their forms....number four or something of that nature is directly based off of Lau Bun's material.

kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?

I wouldn't say its a general technique in kenpo, I would say it might be specialized more in a certain branch or something. Not to say that it isn't seen throughout. In Kajukenbo/pai lum (off branches) etc. not as pronounced.