This is where Five Ancestors story originally comes from:
Yi Quan was a direct student of Bai Yufeng and Jue Yuan, he later traveled with Jue Yuan to south eastern China. There he was introduced to Ma Long, who further taught him internal martial arts.
During the very beginning of the Qing Dynasty, Yi Quan later became the Shaolin teacher of the founder of Choy Gar (who was an uncle to the last Ming emperor).
From this point the Wu Quan developed into the Wu Xing Quan (Five Animals) and much later the story of the Five Ancestors developed as a legend.
I don't belive the legend of Five ancestors got much to do with the style of Five Ancestors...........
I have another question is Luohan Rou Quan (soft boxing) same as Louhan Ru-Yi Quan which knows as "The old man set" or "As you Wish Fist" or "Printing The Red Palm'. More i read this topic more I come to a conclusion that they are no the same even though both are soft luohan styles..........
Hello,
I was there and what Master Zhu was teaching was some basic chan yuan gong. As far as what my Shifu, Jef Naayers had said was that Master Zhu was a Monk who had left Shaolin Temple in protest. Also, The basic line drills that were being taught in the other seminar were basics out of the Jin Gang Quan a Traditional Set from Shaolin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8XY_QWH7mU
sal, is ur history book ready?
Hey Sal, you seem to know a lot about the history of Shaolin. My teacher teaches TCMA, and told us Taijiquan and Wudang Taijiquan and Wudang Chung Fa were both adapted from Shaolin Taizuquan. Do you know or could you guide me to information (if it is correct) that Taizuquan is the style that Taijiquan and Wudangquan came from? Thank you if you can provide the information or point me in the correct direction. I dont doubt what my teacher tells me, I just like to research and back things up I say, as so many TCMA are so obsessed with lineage and history, which I really dont feel like it matters... But it does to some.
Here is another version of the set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baz1PcMPC-4&feature=plcp
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Xian
they say that "Rou Quan was made by Huike, and has 3 roads." as you said previously, the 18 postures of 13 Luohan Gong form were created by Sengchou, not Huike, and besides, it seems nobody is aware of any "3rd" road!
a natural assumption here is that of the "3 roads of Rou Quan," they may just be referring to the long 108-movement form that Huike has created, and that it consists of 3 roads/sections, like other big SongShan Shaolin forms, which are divided into 3 roads/sections. then this long 3-road 108-movement form, made by Huike, is coupled with the shorter 18-posture old Rou Quan, whose essentials were laid by Sengchou.
does this guess seem reasonable? or is there any way to confirm or deny it?
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Wow, I never saw this post, sorry. I was in the hospital at the time it was posted. I have done extensive research into this, and agree completely with your teacher. Here is something that will help your understanding of that:
http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/CMAarticle30.htm
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hey sal I see alot of your research is in the recent Kung Fu Tai Chi Shaolin Special.
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here's a nice article with photos of the complete routine of the 41 posture, original Rou Quan:
http://www.chinesekungfu.com.cn/html...f35739ff85.htm
Looks like there is some history given in the beginning.
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That's the one attributed to monk Chou (Seng Chou), of the Northern Wei Dynasty. I think the encyclopedia said it only had like 8 postures at first, if it's indeed the same set.
yeah, it is. Looks more like Luohan. it was 18 postures of Luohan first, then the other moves were added to it to make 41. So, we can see what the Luohan Looked like back in Northern Wei times.
Do you have the name for the person who expanded it and when he did it from the Shaolin Encyclopedia?
The postures have ones that were later in taiji quan, like Single Whip, White Crane Spreads Wings, and some others.
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