Ok, ill have a go...
Its short, sharp and sweet (pretty obvious)
It generates a surprising amount of force from a short distance (pretty obvious again)
It puts the arm in a good position for control of the other persons structure if it does happen to clash with his arms on its way through, utilising the WC tools once this has happened (should be pretty obvious)
We learn to punch on the centerline because the centerline houses the bulk of a persons mass in addition to many vital points on the human body. Punching off the centerline can prove not as beneficial because of the natural ability for a person to shrug off or roll with the strike.
It's also IMO a fundamental strike because it's mechanically ideal to work in the close range atmosphere that wing chun deals with. The piston-like motion proves to work well at penetrating into the target quickly, allowing the whole of the punchers body to support it.
"I don't know if anyone is known with the art of "sitting on your couch" here, but in my eyes it is also to be a martial art.
It is the art of avoiding dangerous situations. It helps you to avoid a dangerous situation by not actually being there. So lets say there is a dangerous situation going on somewhere other than your couch. You are safely seated on your couch so you have in a nutshell "difused" the situation."
Aids in focusing body mass/alignment/following/facing/pressing (hammer to nail)
Similar elements in part:
COM to COM connection--energy issuing
Shortest Path to COM
Centerline/elbow occupation/displacement
Can force/create a bridge/connection
Maintains Chun's baijong integrity when releasing force
Powerful from short/close distance
Aids continuity of linear force projection
Aids in hand unity--proximity of tools to each other
Quickly changes into most other tools
Economical and efficient use of time and space..
Looks cool when done correctly..
Last edited by YungChun; 10-19-2010 at 11:01 PM.
Jim Hawkins
M Y V T K F
"You should have kicked him in the ball_..."—Sifu
I agree with many of the posts, it operates as a piston and can come out and back without any sort of displacement to your own structure.
in line with the Bayer approach of tan and jum punching, my opinion is that a wck is a tok sau action - it lifts the opponent, therefore breaking his structure. In fighting we DO get hit, but if we can take the power out of it then its not always so bad.
striking the centre makes the opponent 'rolling' with the punch more difficult, but people who say it is the shortest distance are incorrect. its a very specific tactic to utilise your lat's and not your shoulder for power and mainly to intersect the centre line to cover the angle of the opponents punch.
elbow down also helps us to perform the purpose of chum kui properly. seek and destroy the bridge. on the outside the elbow takes their forearm and the lat pushes the power out, if the outside is the only line you can get then i would ordinarily advise to turn your body for striking. in the same way as jkeeping you bong on centre whilst turning
also, sinking to absorb an opponents power and rising to release it back to them is supported by the downwards elbow, which connects itself to the rest of your power base
When it does happen, it's fast and hard and over quick. Either I'm standing or he's standing. That's Real.
nospam
You type because you have fingers. Not because you have logic.
Phil Redmond
We don't have Tok Sau so I can't comment.........
The purpose of Chum kiu is to teach one a method of fighting in the most economical way and be direct to the target.
The bridge is the path to your opponent. Is that what you mean????
Many people think that Chum Kiu is about making contact with a bridge (forearms) and controlling them. That way is not good for fighting and why so many misinterpreted systems of WC are pants IMO.
If your opponent doesnt allow you to make contact with his arms that method falls flat on its ass. I'd rather adopt an approach where we learn how to fight the person NOT the arms.
GH
First of all, NOW you want us all to use YOUR term??
FWIW Jik Sin Chung KUEN is performed at the beginnning of the Lee Shing Family forms (the independent STRAIGHT left & right hand fistwork) followed by Tsong Sin Chun CHOI (the three/five CENTRAL continuous fistwork).
Basically, the hammer works better in multiples as a stun tactic over the centre line. The charging fist, well, does exactly that! It charges through everything in straight lines- immovable elbow and all that jazz.
Key differences to what you have trained no doubt T...
Ti Fei
詠春國術
Jik chung choi is the basic, generic term -- straight thrusting punch.
It's all the same sh1t.FWIW Jik Sin Chung KUEN is performed at the beginnning of the Lee Shing Family forms (the independent STRAIGHT left & right hand fistwork) followed by Tsong Sin Chun CHOI (the three/five CENTRAL continuous fistwork).
I was asking about the basic WCK punch, not variations (not the turning punch, the raising punch, the bouncing punch, etc., not linking chain punching, not three star punching, etc.).Basically, the hammer works better in multiples as a stun tactic over the centre line. The charging fist, well, does exactly that! It charges through everything in straight lines- immovable elbow and all that jazz.
Key differences to what you have trained no doubt T...
And you haven't answered my question about the basic WCK punch.
some don't know even after 30 years...
I am truly sorry that you don't know.
BTW, I can even tell by looking at Bayer's punching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZJgyPLvlsk
that he doesn't know (as he is not DOING it).
What is it he is not DOING with his punch?
I bet YungChun and Vankuen will see it straight away.