This has to be Frost's best post ever.
This has to be Frost's best post ever.
The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
~ Mark Twain
Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.
~ Joe Lewis
A warrior may choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.
~ Author unknown
"You don't feel lonely.Because you have a lively monkey"
"Ninja can HURT the Spartan, but the Spartan can KILL the Ninja"
This.
I would only add that many make the mistake of, when working for speed, to compromise follow-through.
Don't. All the speed in the world is irrelevant if you can't do enough damage.
The other thing is to understand the difference between the different TYPES of speed:
Acceleration ( going from 0 -100 )
Deceleration ( the follow-through issue)
Quickness.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
ALOT of talk in this thread about getting fast, moving fast through techniques or srtikes. But nothing about speeding up reaction time:
This is what its all about...Reaction. Speed on the attack side comes *simply* with practice of the offense. Building a strong, fast defense through reaction drills is not so trivial, and it takes a lot of work. Once the pad work in MMA goes random, it gets pretty decent, as long as the coach can throw attacks at random as often as he puts the pad up for his students to hit it...
I hear ya plum, we train alot on reading the "Yi" of our partner. this is quite difficult but neccessary if you want to stop reacting to the reaction and react before the action. though Yi training is high level traing to say the least
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Reaction training: We do drills in which defender's job is to match footwork to attackers. Then to tap various strikes. Goal is to learn to see attacks before they come, by movement of hip/shoulder/foot... not sure if this is "Yi" training. probably, but maybe 'Yi' is more internal??? Also do randomized pad work. Toss sandbags for hand reactions.
Raw Speed: Jumping squats, clapping push-ups, sprints, (jump)kick combos as fast as possible, do any skill as fast as possible (without destroying form)...
Reaction training has it's place, but all the reaction in the world won't help you if you are slower than molassus.
Personally I have never been a huge fan of reaction training myself, I have noticed a bad tendancy by some to be "reactive" rather than "active" because of it.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Kind of going off what Ronin said, speed is great but if you sacrifice power and commitment it defeats the purpose.
You can train combinations and make them both fast and powerful through the natural course of doing them technically correct and working your speed up as you feel comfortable.
When teaching a jab, it is different in boxing as opposed to martial arts and kicking styles because in boxing you can plant the front leg with most of your weight and get the speed and power you desire from the stability of the front leg.
Much harder to do when someone is kicking that supporting leg you have, so you adapt and plant momentarily until the jab is finished than return to a looser stance to check kicks with.
Both these methods produce a fast, sharp jab if done correctly. Also note that speed and power are inclusive with one another, not seperate.
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". -Cus D'Amato
what frost is talking about sounds very similar to tabatas.
short duration, high intensity, long time off.
tabatas are a once a week thing.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Actually tabatas are a world apart from explosive training they are at the polar end from what you are trying to achieve (if anything true speed training is draining on the CNS system and effects the alactic system and tabatas probably the lactic system and maybe the aerobic stsyem.... maybe….depending on how you do it…..(don’t get me started on that protocol again it could take a few threads lol and Ronin will shake his head !)
wait, so you aren't talking about high intensity interval training then.
Which is what tabata training is.
It read like you were talking about high intensity, intervals at low frequency.
Did I read your paragraph wrong?
Kung Fu is good for you.
Not if you use speed to set up your next move. After 3 powerful punches, you can use 30% of your power on your 4th punch, your opponent will react exactly the same way as your 1st 3 punches (he may still assume it's a 100% powerful punch). This will give you chance to fast switch into your next move since you only commit 30%.
nope i am not and yes you did but not to worry
tabatas protocal calls for 20 seconds on 10 seconds rest, done for 8 sets
what i talked about was at maximum 10 seconds of work, with 3 to 5 minutes rest between each set, i e complete rest that is nothing like tabata
the effects on the bodies energy systems of the above are as different as night and day, what they try to is also different as night and day, one is looking to increase VO2 max and the other increase alactic power
Last edited by Frost; 11-19-2010 at 11:00 AM.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !