I know who started it, that doesnt matter please list how they fixed it to make it easier for BJJ guys to win, the padded mats, the big cage the vurtually unlimited striking format...please do tell how it was set up to show BJJs superiority
STaying on the feet doesnt change your stirking plateform so much you cant display wing chun anymore does it?
Yep people know what you mean you were infereing it was a snooze fest and not applicable to real self defence right? i just wanted to point out that you were wrong thats all
It was set up [ufc] to show that with the ground / submission allowed, a lot of striking [ the boxer with one glove] and other un-mma would find that when they got taken down they would have a hard time with no ground game.
You can try to argue snooze fest, but even bjj guys will be the first to say they wont use it in real fights going into guards.
we can agree to disagree...
it was set up to see which style worked best in a virtually no rules enviroment...not there fault the grapplers won everything in the early days
at least three of gracies subs were not from the guard, all his fights ended very quickly and he managed to look like his style in action
in real fights bjj guys would do what royce did takedown to mount and ground and pound, and it they somehow end up on their back they can still win
so again the question is where are the wing chun guys using wing chun as their main stand up art and looking like wing chun (not talking about phil or alan orrs guys here but guys from lineages that YOU see as wing chun)
how can it be "set up" when the format starts at a stand up????? Striker has there chance, sorry they suck at defense against take downs.It was set up [ufc] to show that with the ground / submission allowed, a lot of striking [ the boxer with one glove] and other un-mma would find that when they got taken down they would have a hard time with no ground game.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
the cracies had the advantage in the first few matches because none of their opponents new how to fight grablers. not cracies fault people came unprepared
You sound naive, "it was set up to see which style worked best...." YEAH braniac ! by a guy who knew BJJ would give everyone primarily doing stand up a hard time in a environment that suited its ability to go beyond a clinch ....duh! And of course it looked like his style because......set up for bjj
VT has its place Frost, horses for courses. Sadly though many guys are being shown to have inferior methods at a most basic level. I have my answers to that. The ring has shown that to many. Answer ? regroup and huddle I think guys will see what required of them to fight with impact, distance, timing...not waddling hand chasing that is simply a game of air tag. When I say I see VT in the ring often it is mechanics, concepts of attacking entry mobility. Mobility being a key if not primary idea that many VT have lost to a back and forth in a straight line fiasco. Basic boxing , MT already have mobility I teach in my system but with VT ideas. I cant say this for others. And as I mentioned before I dont teach MMA so you have to cross examine other guys you sound like lawyers I have had to handle in court for fights...
NO !! its that guys didnt have black belt standard BJJ [years of experience] when they walked into the cage. They had strong ability but who knew BJJ then ?
Again a 'marketing' $ spinning idea...whats so hard to see? Now its multi million$ closest thing to gladiators, but give it time ! tigers will pop out of floors soon.
I don't really see what the problem is. The competition is still a closer analog to actual combat than any other combat sports before it. It is a culmination of all the other combat sports.
Sure, it is still a sport, but it is a sport that is closer to real combat than any that came before it.
It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand. - Apache Proverb
Last edited by JamesC; 05-21-2011 at 10:41 AM.
It is better to have less thunder in the mouth and more lightning in the hand. - Apache Proverb