you stated something but then couldnt back it up...but ill leave it there and simply ask you a question,
you are from the WSL lineage through philip bayer correct, thats how you judge clips when you see people fighting and say it is or it not wing chun...would that be correct to say?
Now on this thread you have said at least once the wing chun guys opponent looked more wing chun like than the chunner so could you post some clips of your students or bayers in action so we can see what you mean?
I know you dont train your guys for MMA but WSL was known for testing his skills in fights and comps, and since you are all so proud to be associated with him surely some of his students carry on that tradition (i know you fight ond test yourself on the street but what about the rest of the association? your students?)
I have posted clips, but guys see what they want, sorry. What did I state that I couldnt back up ?
If I see mechanics in a guy then whats wrong with saying so ? it may not be 100% what we are doing but its fighting with fists and motion, timing, balance, etc...not a style.
Who's 'we' ? you your mates, I dont care if YOU believe me or not. I reckon you will just perpetuate your agenda, whatever that is.
Like you said I have tested my thing often and its strong. If you don't think my punch will break a jaw, and need a clip to prove it, sorry.
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Drills, no full contact sorry, there are some with gloves but its pretty much exactly the same, but with face masks and gloves.
Wait.... you have the info that Gracie started the UFC , started the UFC , started the UFC, and dont see the connection yet
You're kidding me....a fight program that allows ground and submission started by guys with years of experience. Then asking random guys to come in and strike anyway that doesnt matter to them becasue they have BJJ in a ring with time and space to work the guard....you dont see that ?
it also allows striking with near unlimited rules, only rules were no eye shots, it even allowed deadly groin shots...........they invited strikers as well not just random ones they invited a lot of good fighters, the likes of ernesto hoost, karelin etc were all asked, the ring was somthing like 30 feet plenty of room for strikers to run away
so your basic arguement is that because it allowed stand up clinch and ground it was biased against strikers and unfair to them
Oh come on man hes right.You mean to tell me they couldn't have found better grapplers and strikers at that time? The fact they avoided guys like dolman proves it. It was slanted in their favor so they could market their product and then leave once they hooked enough people just as Frank Shamrock said.
Granted it doesn't take away that they proved something .That something being that if you don't have a ground game your screwed.But when ones market a product by showing its effectiveness against against a similar product the idea is to test it against a product that is highly regarded not one that is of inferior quality.
And the Gracies intentionally did the latter. It looked like a tough man competition when instead they could have intentionally tried to rope in better opponents to genuinely test their product to its fullest.
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oh please doleman again....they are on record as having asked ernesto hoost to take part, and karelin, neither accepted and you think they were scared of doleman? They invited the greasted wrestler of all time and the greatest thai guy around, fact is they asked lots of guys, not too many wanted to fight no rules
Nobody is taking away what they proved
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