if you train muay thai, and your kru told you to do that gay pre fight dance, to that ear piercing noise that sounds like ducks being killed, you would have no problem.
but in kung fu? no. white people get to demand what they dont like, what they dont wanna do. american students treat their sifu like waiters at the panda express.
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I still have the medals I won in forms competition in my time in TKD and Karate, along with the ones in fighting.
Forms may not have helped me to be a better fighter per say, but doing them never hurt.
They develop balance, fluidity of movement, control and, well, FORM.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Time for some Orange Chicken!!!!!!panda express
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
I don't hate form. I just see focus on form, you get Wushu. True2Form.
Focus on fighting: you get training with boxing gloves and head gear and live throws and ground fighting..... feedback, reaction time, adaptability, confidence in technique.
If my focus was on martial arts, which it is, doing these forms is like spending time learning a gymnastic routine.... sure, I will gain flexibility, and movement, etc., etc. But I would put money on a built gymnast over any of those True2Formers.
In the end, the question remains: where are the fighters with all these form benefits?
stop with the red herrings. form doesnt improve fighting ability. but form is the core of chinese martial arts. its the chinese way of doing things. its over 1000 years old. it fukin saved kung fu from extinction during several bans over the centuries.
form is one of the few cultural relics from the common people that survived the cultural revolution, and you just wanna throw it away like garbage. no. kiss my ass.
Last edited by bawang; 09-19-2011 at 09:45 AM.
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Take a broader look bro. styles like CLF are producing fighters. one of China's best right now studied CLF.I don't hate form. I just see focus on form, you get Wushu. True2Form
Very True. We do the same thing. When we train our techniques that are practiced in the forms, we put on gloves, mouth guards, head gear all the stuff you mentioned and go for it. When we're not focusing on fighting, we focus on forms, drills, stance work and so on. I won't EVER throw away all i've learned just to focus strictly on fighting. Not everyone wants to be a fighter but they DO want to learn a martial art for their own reasons.Focus on fighting: you get training with boxing gloves and head gear and live throws and ground fighting..... feedback, reaction time, adaptability, confidence in technique.
True2form embarrasses me, and you will never ever ever ever......evaevaevaeva.....find my students doing TRUE2FORM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
You say where are the Kung Fu people that fight? well, here are a couple of KUNG FU people....not to mention Choy Lee Fut people.......who are in the ring fighting and NOT doing True2Form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmhBKdOAwy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRWAGW0A0Qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqBFDX_L080
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VzNS7BnZCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Ef9hgkZVQ
Now, i didn't post these videos to have a discussion of their skills or blah blah blah. it's just proof that CHOY LEE FUT is not one of those styles that are just TRUE2FORM.......
and guess what......THEY PRACTICE FORMS TOO!!!!!!!
Last edited by hskwarrior; 09-19-2011 at 10:01 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
There are a lot of american fighters that refuse to learn the ram muay (the pre-fight dance).
Sometimes I wonder about the type of students asian martial arts attract.
Could you imagine walking into a boxing gym and refusing to do jump rope or shadow boxing?
If forms are all you do, or are the majority of the time you spend training, then maybe there's an issue. But as a part of a much larger syllabus, I have no problem with them.
Running through the ram muay and a taiji form makes a heck of a warm up.
-Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship FightingWhat would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
This is part of the reason why Asian teachers didn't want the Gwai Lo to learn their stuff. Americans can't ever appreciate something like this. they have to insert "MY AMERICAN OPINION" into it ALL the time.There are a lot of american fighters that refuse to learn the ram muay (the pre-fight dance).
Sometimes I wonder about the type of students asian martial arts attract.
Could you imagine walking into a boxing gym and refusing to do jump rope or shadow boxing?
If you are not trying to be a FIGHTER what is wrong with doing forms? personally, i'll never find forms outdated. For me, the forms are to be unlocked and personal discovery is what matters.If forms are all you do, or are the majority of the time you spend training, then maybe there's an issue. But as a part of a much larger syllabus, I have no problem with them.
When my students were getting into fights almost every weekend i put forms training on the back burner and strictly focused on combat. when times are quiet we go back to forms. i will never see an issue with that.
Last edited by hskwarrior; 09-19-2011 at 10:10 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
What Cultural values are you talking about?form is strcitly for cultural values. but a lot of forms are also a type of war dance to show manliness and aggresion.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
stop redirecting your anger to forms and blame your teacher who milked you
when white people stop eating turkey and apple pie during thanks giving, i will stop doing forms.
Last edited by bawang; 09-19-2011 at 10:14 AM.
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thats sucks. but some american students are really gullible. its usually the hippy types too. they seem to believe the mystic side of gung fu a little moreamerican students who got scammed redirect their anger to forms and chinese culture instead of their teachers, because they spent such a long time with them and feel attached.
i don't have turkey at my TG. its HAM baby and i can't stand apple pie. LEMON PIE....!!!!when white people stop eating turkey and apple pie during thanks giving, i will stop doing forms.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Honorary African American
grandmaster instructor of Wombat Combat The Lost Art of Anal Destruction™®LLC .
Senior Business Director at TEAM ASSHAMMER consulting services ™®LLC
All you need to do is tell em "you are too new to understand. it takes a lifetime to be able to grasp the essence of the universe".........................they will follow you till the ends of the Earth.they are not really peope. they are just walking pieces of meat that makes noise. its ok to lie to them and teach fake kung fu.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better