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Yeah, not sure how I missed them last night. Thanks for the info.
Hello everyone,
I dont know if these videos I saw yesterday and today helps to investigate the Luohan stuff, I came across these yesterday and found them very interesting.
I try to look for non you tube videos for the most part
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/SzFHarIoFjI/
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzY1Nzc5OTY=.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQ1NDUxNjI4.html
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/BNlF4s7PK8U/
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU4MDg4ODQ=.html
http://you.video.sina.com.cn/m/1344612414 ( I dont know this type of flow, maybe it is not Luo Han
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTQyOTY0NTMy.html ( I believe Da Luohan Quan )
Peace Eugene
Last edited by Eugene; 02-09-2010 at 10:19 AM.
Here is a another version and video of Luo Han Quan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKGs5Y7tMk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao1SpJVK_5g
Some Lohan Quan. May you like it. Ive tried to find someone else but I couldnt find it.
May you know one ?
Kind regards,
Xian
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/vO4DK0al0YQ/
Hey everyone,
The above link is an old video of luohan quan. Whats interesting is it is the classic form that is performed by Zhangshijie in his white robes. Except this version is a little different at the end. ALso the video appears older than the one by zhangshijie. The perfromance also includes a san lu luohan quan from the 18 forms of shaolin luohan. A form we have no other videos of.
WHo is the guy in this video? He must have learned this form from Degen Da Shi, or a direct disciple like Zhutianxi.... I can't understand what they are saying on the video, the sound is no good. Any one have a clue who this guy is?
Otherwise, good video of previously unseen luohan quan from shaolins Zhenchuan 18 luohan quan. The 3rd form on the end i can't identify.
Hey LFJ,
Yeah, I thought it may be, but I wasn't sure. I couldn't hear anything on the video, the sound was really bad and really quit. **** laptop speakers.
Well its cool, now we can see the difference between Zhutianxi's Luohan quan and his students (zhangshijie). Wonder how the end got changed.....
Hey just found this maybe it helps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mkXKnH9B-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAAi39GwjeU
Kind Regards,
Xian
@Rendahai,
Hey Rendahai, the video that you posted to start this thread with the Luohan man. have you found something new about this person?
Sometimes I watch it a few times, but the more I watch it the more it amazes me.
I think this guy has a higher level of kung fu then the 18 years olds that leave Shaolin these days.
Peace Eugene
Hey Eugene,
I still haven't found out who it is. I was really into Luohan Quan a while back but am focusing more on the core Shaolin at the moment like Hong Quan. But I haven't forgotton. I'll find out one day.
i dont see whats so special about that guy, other than the pose he did was really fancy. i dont think its good to be distracted by superficial things.
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A still remaining mystery in this thread is the Encyclopedia's small Luohan Quan at page 188 of vol.2 of the 4-volume set Encyclopedia. It is "Xiao/1Lu Luohan Quan" (Deyang's Xiao Luohan or Luohan Quan road 1 in Liu Zhenhai's VCDs). Just, after comparing the forms, the result is that the Encyclopedia's form misses a few postures, other postures are the same, just sometimes movements are performed to the opposite direction or with left/right exchanged (mirror imaged), which is usual among Shaolin practitioners. the body movements (shen fa) of this form is like Liu Zhenhai's form, which is not the old-fashioned Buddhistic (Luohan-like) shen fa of Luohan Quan.
Here I compare Encyclopedia's postures with Xiao Luohan Quan:
posture: equivalent figure in the Encyclopedia
1. Salute, praise Buddha
2. stand, cross palms down: fig.2
3. crouch, spread arms: fig.3
4. bow, double fists: fig.4
5. rest, palm cuts down: fig.5
6. bow, jab palm: fig.6
7. on horse, push hands down: fig.7
8. on bench, hold arms: Encyclopedia misses (luohan opens the book), but the transition movements are in figs.8-9
9. bow, spread fists: fig.10
10. bow, thrust fist: fig.11, but Encyclopedia misses the transitional cover and punches
11. transitory (xuebu), fists near ear and knee: fig.12
12. lift leg, double fists: fig.13
13. bow, push palm: Encyclopedia misses it and its transitional kick
14. bow, push double palms: Encyclopedia misses (play the Guitar)
15. on bench, double punches: Encyclopedia misses (luohan rings the bell)
16. rest, palm cuts down: fig.14
17. rest, cross fists down: fig.16, but Encyclopedia misses the transition movements (drunken luohan steps) but has only one transitional step in fig.15
18. bow, thrust fist: Encyclopedia misses
19. rest, cloud palm: Encyclopedia misses (luohan viewing)
20. rest, palm jabs down: Encyclopedia misses (backward interpolating palms) it and its transitional movements
21. sit, luohan sleeps (contemplates): figs.17-18
22. on horse, jab palms: fig.19
23. sit, praise Buddha: figs.20-21
24. crouch, palm cuts: fig.22, but Encyclopedia misses the repetition, while has the transition movement in fig.23
25. on bench, fists near ear and knee: figs.24-25
26. bow, double fists: fig.26
27. sit on mountain: figs.27-28
Last edited by SHemmati; 07-21-2013 at 01:32 PM.
there was also a discussion by LFJ and Sal on Xiao/DiTang Mei Hua Quan, the versions that seem basically to be the same, but also seem to diverge at some points.
Shaolin has 2 Mei Hua Quans: Xiao and Da, where the Xiao Mei Hua Quan is also called DiTang Mei Hua Quan.
nonetheless, like I did for the Encyclopedia's Xiao/1Lu Luohan and the videos, it can be justified posture-by-posture that there's no divergence at all between these DiTang/Xiao Mei Hua Quans, they are all the same (of course being in different lineages, they have some Shen Fa (body movement) differences, but the differences are mainly in the Shen Fa and different forcing methods. the maneuver sequences are the same, and there are no major technical differences between them.)
i also see you've mixed up between the old luohan quan and the rather newer 18 luohan quan systems. this needs a correction.
Last edited by SHemmati; 07-02-2016 at 01:21 PM.