So can I. Joy's si-fu, Augustine Fong, has taught iron palm in his WC. I learned a bit of that under one of his instructors back in '79. Then I spent a dozen years with LT who felt that iron palm was a waste of time in his WT system. Experts will disagree. I can see some logic in both points of view. Most of our hitting is frontal, centerline striking, and the wall bag is good training for that. On the other hand, there is some use of downward dropping energy, as in jut-sau, gum-sau, gaun-sau and so on. Perhaps iron palm training could be used to enhance that? Or maybe you could just spend more time on the dummy.
Personally I'd be more interested in hearing people report on what works for them and why, rather than hearing all the nitpicking and arguing between know-it-alls who are convinced that their si-fu's word is the one and only truth! I prefer to view technique and training from a benefit vs. cost perspective rather than as "right vs. wrong". Just my 2 cents.
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Kevin, are you really that obtuse, or just one of this forum's resident trolls? I gave you one example, Fong Chi Wing. Presumably, his sifu, Ho Kam Ming agreed as well. Joy could weigh in on this, as I don't really know. My old Sifu, LT did not agree. People differ on this, even within the Yip Man lineage. What makes you think that your opinion is the only correct one?
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Wall bags, iron palm bags are all useful if you use them correctly and well. I have used them both for years and have no arthritis in my hands. But i don't do hung gar iron palm or karate makiwara- don't need to.Iron palm and bag work enables your structure including hand structure to adjust to the impact-- naturally- if done right.
Wing chun has a considerable curriculum- each part plays specific roles in development.
Also you dont have to import hooking or uppercutting from boxing--wing chun body dynamics
provides many tools.... it's a big big tool box.
joy chaudhuri
Sorry Kev, my mistake. I thought you really wanted to know if anyone could "name a few" high level sifus who integrated iron palm training into their WC programs. I should have realized that you have no interest in other opinions on the topic and were just jerking people around.
Oh, and to Joy, thanks for the input on the subject. It's nice that some folks actually use this forum to exchange information.
This is a really good and defining point on the way WC approaches IP.
This is one of the things you have to develop to strike correctly in WC otherwise you can't use the wrist correctly to accelerate into the target. It's also one of the reasons that training with 16oz gloves takes the sting out.
I'd hazard a guess that it's the same with other southern short striking methods, such as with those that use the fung yao as a primary strike.
Dave
Yes, but he answered the question you were asking! The world is full of stuff that you don't know about authentic TCMA practice. So, the best advice for you is to do what I do, and that is keep an open and inquisitive mind and learn from those who have access to knowledge and practices that you don't.