Even ginosifu, vehement TCMA defender, agrees with me that San Shou is not TCMA (link to the quote left intact since it was in another thread)
Originally Posted by ginosifu
Stage tricks like bending spears on the throat and blaming it on mystic qi power
Those "extreme" competitions where people scream at the top of their lungs & use toothpick bo staffs
That form sparring stuff where you get points for looking like your style, not for winning
"too deadly for the ring" or instructors who are "too deadly to spar with their students"
Wannabe MMA guy
Even ginosifu, vehement TCMA defender, agrees with me that San Shou is not TCMA (link to the quote left intact since it was in another thread)
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Wannabe MMA guy
Really though, let's cut the BS.
If it looks like boxing/MT/San Shou, it's not "TMA."
If it looks like WC/CLF/Karate/TKD, it's TMA.
If you stand in a boxing stance, it's not TMA.
If you train WC and look like a kickboxer when you fight, you're not fighting with WC.
On a related note, if you don't fight the way you train, you're doing it wrong. Why would you train different neurological pathways than you're actually going to be using? That's horribly inefficient. Why would I bother training tan sao, bong sao, etc, if when I fight I'm going to shell up? The time would be better spent training shell defense to become more efficient at it. Why train in a sideways TKD stance if I'm going to fight in a boxing stance? It makes no sense.
Last edited by IronFist; 11-28-2011 at 12:02 PM.
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Banned Li Fut
How is CLF not TCMA?!?!
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Wannabe MMA guy
It is.
I said "If it looks like WC/CLF/Karate/TKD, it's TMA."
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周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
Because of its traditional fighting stance wing chun has it the worst because anytime they use a different fighting stance people start calling them out and saying its not wing chun. those inwardly bent knee's must be a thorn in their side.If you train WC and look like a kickboxer when you fight, you're not fighting with WC.
"Sanshou is a martial art which was originally developed by the Chinese military based upon the intense study and practices of traditional Kung Fu and modern combat fighting techniques; it combines full-contact kickboxing, which include punches and kicks, wrestling, takedowns, throws, sweeps, kick catches, and in some competitions, even elbow and knee strikes.
Not seen as a style itself, rather it is considered as just one of the two components of Chinese martial arts training and is often taught alongside with taolu (forms) training. However, as part of the development of sport wushu by the Chinese government, a standard curriculum for sanshou was developed. It is to this standard curriculum that the term "Sanshou" is usually applied."
Last edited by hskwarrior; 11-28-2011 at 12:41 PM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Itinerant practitioner
Not necessarily true. Any of these.
Martial arts is number one about having the guts to do it.
Then it is about how much you can give and get (strength/conditioning/endurance)
The last thing it is about is tech and style.
If you are in a sporting situation, it's all gonna look like kickboxing whether it's traditional or not. Look at MT. That's traditional and oh, it looks like kickboxing, albeit a little stylized.
It doesn't have to look like fictional nonsense to be good kung fu.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Wannabe MMA guy
That's because human fighting looks like kickboxing/Muay Thai/MMA/San Shou. It doesn't look like WC, CLF, TKD, Karate or any other TMA.
Even if that's true, if you train one way and fight another way, you're wasting your time training because it's not improving the skills for fighting.It doesn't have to look like fictional nonsense to be good kung fu.
It's like shooting hoops to improve your baseball pitch. It makes no sense.
Why would I do TKD if I'm going to fight like a boxer? Why? So I can hop in the ring and do some crappy boxing that I haven't ever practiced and then say I fight with TKD? All the "training" then was for nothing.
Last edited by IronFist; 11-28-2011 at 01:42 PM.
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Boxing stance is the same as monkey stance in Praying Mantis.
And here is Floyd Mayweather doing horse stance steal heart punch all day long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwfcvVP957o
Itinerant practitioner
how is training different?
Kung Fu people hit the bag, hit the mitts, spar etc.
Beginners? not so much, most of them barely have a handle on their body.
for instance you ever tell someone how to do something in real time and have to explain it to them 3 or 4 times? Yeah, that happens ALL the time.
things like : "use your middle finger" (they use their index), you tell them again, the STILL use their index! You physically correct them finally and they do it AGAIN!
I call this the brain fence. It is an aspect of the ego that sets you up to fail while being instructed because you are convinced that no one has anything to teach you. lol. It takes time to work that out of ourselves. Sometimes all it takes is a punch in the face!
Kung Fu is good for you.
Glorified TCMAist
There are no absolutes:
Boxing stance is similar to many Hakka Kuen stances.
Duncan Leung's Wing Chun bai jong has a shorter guard (mun sao/wu sao) possibly due to fights with other styles such as CLF who liked to smash the mun sao when it was too extended.
you guys seem to garner all your info not from direct experience, so your information is skewed.
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that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
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And notice the one time he got a knockdown with the body shot was when he used a low wide driving stance, which is the same as what TCMA teaches.
Bad the Fukc Ass
thats a standard longfist punch. probably standard to a lot of systems too.
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Wannabe MMA guy
Heavy metal musicians play notes on guitar.
Country musicians play notes on guitar.
How is heavy metal different from country music? They both play notes on guitar!
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Bad the Fukc Ass
heavy metal is better thats how!!
the only thing good about country music is the women.
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Banned Li Fut
Simplicity does not serve this conversation.
How are they similar?
Both have Jazz as a background
Both apply virtually identical foundations of western musical styles
Timing and beats follow a generally universal standard
With minor variations, the same instruments are used
The chords used do not differ much at all
Most western music follows the same fundamentals as applied to Jazz. Beats per second, timings, bass/treble annotation, same instruments, many times the same equipment.
I'm sorry, but at what point are we willing to go full retard trying to hold on to a point we know doesn't make sense?
The weakest of all weak things is a virtue that has not been tested in the fire.
~ Mark Twain
Everyone has a plan until they’ve been hit.
~ Joe Lewis
A warrior may choose pacifism; others are condemned to it.
~ Author unknown
"You don't feel lonely.Because you have a lively monkey"
"Ninja can HURT the Spartan, but the Spartan can KILL the Ninja"
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