Haha, now you think so highly of yourself that you think everyone is obsessed with you?? Thanks for the laugh! If you don't like the comments, maybe you should stop posting up videos of yourself. (unless you secretly hope everyone idols you likeyou imply here..)
Look, a thread got started with one of your vids, and after people commented that it doesn't look at all like WC (same as has been said for years), you came here to defend that all of your stand up is WC (CSL or not - the CSL part is just your sifu's name). I'm just commenting on what I see - in all your videos, not too hard to see with so many of them. And I can't see a clear example of the first idea of WC centerline principle in most of them. For me, without that, that's where 'using WC' pretty much ends.
So you're right, it's not like the wing chun I do. Nor does it look like any other I've seen. And that's my point. Nothing more to say.
Last edited by JPinAZ; 12-08-2011 at 01:56 PM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Id lean towards your assessment here Phil.
PB's clip is ok, but lets be serious. He's got a guy feeding him WC techniques at a longish boxing range.
Look around the 1.10 mark or so for eg.
The guys never going to hit PB and he just picks his attack of as he knows exctly where its going to come from... though he does do it nicely.
There is no way he could do the same to a boxer with say 5 years experience.
In regards to Alans clip, i think it a bit more realistic as i feel his range is more a WC range (IMO) and i see power and structure constantly applied.... i like it better
But having said that, as ive said before, its a range thing.
Neither right or wrong... they just have a preference for a different take on combat and it shows.
I'll go back to my boxing comparison between Ali-Frazier.... both very diffferent styles but both, without a doubt, boxing.
Number one - I didn't start the thread. I only came on as you and the same old few jump on anything I do or say. Which is fine as it has no meaning and adds no value.
My wing chun is not limited to quoting maxims and as for centreline lol you can not see what you have not been taught. Your lack of depth is not my problem.
I'd like to get Alan's response to this too, although frankly I don't see the problem. Following bong sau by rolling over to a chopping fak sau is pretty standard WC fare. Often the target is the throat. If you didn't see it in Muay Thai, perhaps it was because of the rules rather than it not being effective? Also, you can change the fak to a backfist like Bruce Lee, or even make it a hammer-fist, like a number two strike in Escrima. Seems useful to me.
Last edited by Grumblegeezer; 12-08-2011 at 03:26 PM.
Good question. This is the whole point of my my first clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phown...Dl7u7A6wJrJfzZ
You learn about movement and control of timing in Chi Sao - the application of a chop is good for the street, in the ring its would be a punch or elbow etc.
The main thing is understanding the training methods and understanding how they then work under different types of pressure.
Wing Chun for me is a system of self understanding. Know you base and power, position and timing. Then we just punch and kick, but with a developed awareness.
This clip is just a training clip, but it is not a demo or planned roll. Like in BJJ you roll and learn from the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SJrV...Oj81qDAdVKPxea
Once you have that feedback then you learn and look to improve each time
This clip is light sparring. We are looking to use are wing chun skills, elbow control, power, base etc When Aaron goes to throw me I was able to be ready to reverse him as I had already set up my position of weight to counter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO_DDxUqb84
This is our pad work training -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn4cE...eature=related
Its our first sparring and pad training after some time out due to injuries. So you will see better stuff as we do more as well.
We will be posting clips and Q&A each week. I don't care for demos and planned clips. We will just be showing normal training and learning.
My Q&A will be questions people ask me and the answers will be my view on the subject.
I'm sure one could criticize every little aspect of the clips if they were so inclined. Too much leaning forward with chops, not enough centerline. Not enough clean tan, bong, fuk. All blocks and no slips on the pad work. Not staying in the pocket in sparring.
I want to point out some positives. I like that your training has progression between the standard chi sau control structures to the open engagement free sparring including entry techniques. I like that instead of just doing no strike or very light strike chi sau you are also doing boxing focus mitts training harder strikes.
I think people doing a lot of the slap boxing type drills where you never are in the position to get hit hard are doing themselves a disservice. It's amazing people see that as 'the real VT' or whatever.
I think more WCK schools should implement some training methods like you show in your clips. Even if they do them with their own 'perfect' WCK techniques. And for all you WCK guys with the perfect techniques, here's a little clip of some mitt work for inspiration - are you tougher than an 8 yr old? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbQkoih0SZM
This is what I love about Alan, his team and their approach to training
Now I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with anything anyone has said here but I have a respect for anyone who is actually striving to improve themselves and their students. This is what I believe Alan is doing and has done for many years.
Sure, it's not my cup of tea but at least Alan states it's Chu Sau Lei Wing Chun and doesn't make any claims like he has it all and everyone else is wrong etc etc like others do here so often!
Bottom line. Each to their own in this wide Wing/Ving Chun/Tsun community
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