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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    So you'd rather fight a trained fighter with a blade rather than an unarmed crack head.

    OK, good luck with that one.
    Not what I said. How about you carefully read and analyze what I said, instead of putting words in my mouth and having me constantly correcting you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    What is shows is that I have seen many people get their as_ss_es handed to them trying to put on standing submissions.
    Ok, let's get real. How many people have you ACTUALLY SEEN get cut, stabbed or die defending against a knife. Or are your assumptions based on classroom settings where peeps practiced "knife defenses"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Again, there is a reason why all submission systems that train in realistic manners have the majority of their submissions on the ground.
    The reason is that it is their specialty. Nothing more. I could say the same for striking based systems and standing based submission systems. And it would not be any more logical than your statement.

    As an aside, anyone who fights a knife wielding attacker bare-handed willingly is an idiot. Environmental weapons are your friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    Ok, let's get real.
    Forget real, it's more fun having guys in fantasyland tell others they're in fantasyland.

    I think reality left the forum long ago.
    When seconds count the cops are only minutes away!

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    I bet this guy expended a lot less time and energy than rastlin' him to the ground.
    Plus it's funny as hell.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDjw0...eature=related

    I'm finding quite a few instances of crap TMA working when you need it and they aren't top level MMA either.
    When seconds count the cops are only minutes away!

    Quote Originally Posted by wenshu View Post
    Sorry, sometimes I forget you guys have that special secret internal sauce where people throw themselves and you don't have to do anything except collect tuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Sing View Post
    Forget real, it's more fun having guys in fantasyland tell others they're in fantasyland.

    I think reality left the forum long ago.
    LOL! Good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    submissions in your shuai jiao ...
    Most of the joint locking should start from standing and end on the ground. Only when your opponent is on the ground, your joint locking is then complete.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4Ubxy54vE

    Unless you use standing joint locking such as "chicken wing hold" to escort your opponent to the police department.
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    I've had ONE encounter, and he was disarmed through a freakish series of events that happened to work in my favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    Ok, let's get real. How many people have you ACTUALLY SEEN get cut, stabbed or die defending against a knife. Or are your assumptions based on classroom settings where peeps practiced "knife defenses"?
    Over the years, I've known quite a few people who got cut badly from knives. A couple died.



    Quote Originally Posted by mooyingmantis View Post
    The reason is that it is their specialty. Nothing more. I could say the same for striking based systems and standing based submission systems. And it would not be any more logical than your statement.
    Their specialty is submissions. That's why they've figured out that standing submissions don't work very well or very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Sing View Post
    I bet this guy expended a lot less time and energy than rastlin' him to the ground.
    Plus it's funny as hell.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDjw0...eature=related

    I'm finding quite a few instances of crap TMA working when you need it and they aren't top level MMA either.

    Why are you attempting to hijack a thread about chi na and submissions into one about TMA kicks working or not working?
    Last edited by Peaceful Orchid; 02-07-2012 at 05:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Most of the joint locking should start from standing and end on the ground. Only when your opponent is on the ground, your joint locking is then complete.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4Ubxy54vE
    Too bad it's almost impossible to take someone down like that.

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    Not intentional, but the subject has veered in that direction a few times with all the TMA is a waste posturing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Too bad it's almost impossible to take someone down like that.
    That guy have had some really stiff wrists or low tolerance to pain to drop that way. It's like movie fu where the guy stays on the floor unconscious after that kind of move.

    BTW, that's not how I learned that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Too bad it's almost impossible to take someone down like that.
    I assume you won't believe this can be used to take your opponent down to the ground either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kXx_B5Hy0
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 02-07-2012 at 06:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    I assume you won't believe this can be used to take your opponent down to the ground either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kXx_B5Hy0
    Maybe if your opponent is a 12 year old girl.

    You can check out just about any competitive venue where takedowns are part of the ruleset. There's a reason you never see either of those types of takedowns even though it is common both for an opponent to grab the other's arm and for one opponent to get behind another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaceful Orchid View Post
    Maybe if your opponent is a 12 year old girl.

    You can check out just about any competitive venue where takedowns are part of the ruleset. There's a reason you never see either of those types of takedowns even though it is common both for an opponent to grab the other's arm and for one opponent to get behind another.
    Who is talking about "competition"?

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    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 02-07-2012 at 06:30 PM.

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