Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Jimbo]

Also, what we have today as the various schools/lineages of CLF have evolved over time to become what they are, by people who had an extensive, practical understanding of the art through experience. CLF itself was created from already-proven systems/methods, at a time and place where, if it couldn't hold up, it could not have survived. It has, and very well, thank you. CLF wasn't just a bunch of random stuff that somebody pulled out of their ass.

I personally don't care what SD does one way or the other, but when someone makes BS statements about CLF without any knowledge of it whatsoever, it needs to be called out.

[bawang]

CLF is a relatively new style but follows the cultural cues and frameset of chinese martial arts.
CLF does not separate from chinese martial culture, it is the continuation of it.

shaolin do has zero understanding of chinese culture and is a tool used for exploitation based on a backwards 1960s small town hillbilly mentality.

shaolin do are cultural thieves and robbers.

[hskwarrior]

i personally don't care what sd does one way or the other, but when someone makes bs statements about clf without any knowledge of it whatsoever, it needs to be called out.

pls, be careful not to fill in the gaps for them. We all know what we know because we actually study real gung fu. Some students of this sd school are way to clueless to get a clue even it the clue was tattooed on their foreheads.

I love the ignorance shown by some sd students on the forum

shaolin do has zero understanding of chinese culture and is a tool used for exploitation based on a backwards 1960s small town hillbilly mentality.

shaolin do are cultural thieves and robbers.

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

[kwaichang]

I have been told to understand a culture one must 1st speak the language , so much is lost in translation. so how many of you read and write Chinese Language fluently. Very few I would say. So you that speak so strongly about culture and tradition only know a small amount of history as you were taught by your teacher.KC

[bawang]

I have been told to understand a culture one must 1st speak the language , so much is lost in translation. so how many of you read and write Chinese Language fluently. Very few I would say. So you that speak so strongly about culture and tradition only know a small amount of history as you were taught by your teacher.KC

we understand enough not to wear a fukin karate gi.

[kwaichang]

Gotcha KC

[hskwarrior]

so you that speak so strongly about culture and tradition only know a small amount of history as you were taught by your teacher.kc

some of us grew up in very traditional chinese gung fu schools typically found in chinatown where we are learning about the actual culture of the chinese people as well. Its an honor to have someone welcome you into their culture and show you. Most of the time they can care less because you could care less.

Missing out on a huge part of kung fu with you are without the culture behind it.

[Kellen Bassette]

"Shaolin" is as generic as "karate" these days. WTF isn't shaolin? I found a video the other day offering "shaolin groundfighting." LOL. Seems to me like "shaolin" is the mob. Everything is in its "protection" racket.

Ground fighting is a part of Shaolin. Check out "Chi Na Fa, The Skill of Catch and Hold" ~1936. A police chi na manual...take the standing chi na out and the book looks like a BJJ basic ground fighting locks manual.

What is now BJJ was Mitsuyo Maeda's version of Judo. Trace back to JJJ then to China. Shuai Jiao and Chi na are the original material for BJJ, Rickson Gracie even said as much.

The Chinese did develop ground fighting, just not to the extant that the Gracies took it to, as it was deemed suicide to stay on the ground in battle. The techniques were also learned and developed by the Japanese, again, not to the extant that the Brazilians took it, as they too arrived at the same conclusion.

Basic chokes and locks from various guards and mounts were utilized by Shaolin based arts long before Judo ever came to Brazil. The Chinese weren't ground specialist, but it is still a valid part of the art that many instructors were never taught, or simply neglect today.

"Oh it was all made up at one point so I can just call it whatever I want."

No. This isn't Austrian School economics; you can't just make it up as you go along.

What's wrong with Austrian economics?

[kwaichang]

As I have said in the past I trained in "traditional" CMA Tang Lang and Hung Jia, for 10 years and 3 more after that long distance I was taught history ethics and Language as well as writing. I cont to study to this day. and it was very hard core and aplicable. This was way before safeT chop etc. KC

[hskwarrior]

as i have said in the past i trained in "traditional" cma tang lang and hung jia, for 10 years and 3 more after that long distance i was taught history ethics and language as well as writing. I cont to study to this day. And it was very hard core and aplicable. This was way before safet chop etc. Kc

the more you talk the more i'm convinced you're jake the fake mace.

[wenshu]

Ground fighting is a part of Shaolin. Check out "Chi Na Fa, The Skill of Cmatch and Hold" ~1936. A police chi na manual...take the standing chi na out and the book looks like a BJJ basic ground fighting locks manual.

What is now BJJ was Mitsuyo Maeda's version of Judo. Trace back to JJJ then to China. Shuai Jiao and Chi na are the original material for BJJ, Rickson Gracie even said as much.

The Chinese did develop ground fighting, just not to the extant that the Gracies took it to, as it was deemed suicide to stay on the ground in battle. The techniques were also learned and developed by the Japanese, again, not to the extant that the Brazilians took it, as they too arrived at the same conclusion.

Basic chokes and locks from various guards and mounts were utilized by Shaolin based arts long before Judo ever came to Brazil. The Chinese weren't ground specialist, but it is still a valid part of the art that many instructors were never taught, or simply neglect today.

I wonder why no one ever mentions Japanese palace etiquette as an impetus for the development of ground fighting techniques.

What's wrong with Austrian economics?

Aside from its theories being pulled out of thin air and not based on any data or scientific rigour of any kind, nothing.

[Judge Pen]

Wenshu, I'm starting with one form. Once I understand it's origins, we can talk about the other 899. (and nice use of the word "tard" way to stay classy).

Most of this crap would have been avoided if Sin The had just called his art "Ming family Kung Tao". But sadly, he called it Shaolin Do. I understand why people are upset about that. Given the lies that have been told, I can't believe any of the history or lineage that cannot be verified independantly.

[wenshu]

i have been told to understand a culture one must 1st speak the language , so much is lost in translation. So how many of you read and write chinese language fluently. Very few i would say. So you that speak so strongly about culture and tradition only know a small amount of history as you were taught by your teacher.kc

叫你生孩子没屁股眼。

[Judge Pen]

the more you talk the more i'm convinced you're jake the fake mace.

He's not Frank.

[Judge Pen]

叫你生孩子没屁股眼。

Nice! You know how to use Google!

Enjoy the rest of your day, I'm out until tomorrow.