This paper, The Role of Deliberate Practice in the Acquisition of Expert Performance, is the source of the 10,000 rule.
This paper, The Role of Deliberate Practice in the Acquisition of Expert Performance, is the source of the 10,000 rule.
Good article. Thanks for posting this.
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For it breeds great perfection, if the practise be harder then the use. Sir Francis Bacon
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Thank you for posting, great article.
false. only 300 to 500 reps is neccesary.
its not how many times you do, its how familiar you are.
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Just like the article, my TCMA instructor always said that it was a minimum of 10 years of hard practice to be proficient with Kung Fu.Many characteristics once believed to reflect innate talent are actually the result of intense practice extended for a minimum of 10 years.
I think this is probably true for single techniques. A few hundred times to get the basic structure down and a couple hundred more against a resisting partner should lead to some level of expertise.
But RickMatz' post was regarding the source of an oft-repeated idea that it takes a certain number of years and repetitions of a constellation of skills to be proficient in an art form.
I would say one to two years to be able to spar effectively. Ten to fifteen years to learn a system of kung fu.
"Look, I'm only doing me job. I have to show you how to defend yourself against fresh fruit."
For it breeds great perfection, if the practise be harder then the use. Sir Francis Bacon
the world has a surplus of self centered sh1twh0res, so anyone who extends compassion to a stranger with sincerity is alright in my book. also people who fondle road kill. those guys is ok too. GunnedDownAtrocity
Something here to really think about. Any fighting art that requires 10 years to learn, or 10,000 hours to perfect, is something you need to pass up on. There are a few fighting arts that do not require a great deal of time to learn with great skill. Any technique that requires you to have great strength or youth to perform is a waste of time. Given that each day you age you are going to be less and less able to perform them. Eventually you will lose it all together. My system can be used as long as you can move about. I am 67 years old, and I can do it as well as I could when I was 21, and maybe even better on some things. I certainly have a better understanding of it all. I don't force myself to work out really hard in an effort to make myself stronger either. I simply do a daily workout that keeps me limber and toned up. I did all the muscle building as a young man, and only perform maintanence now.
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The 10,000 hour rule applies to mastery, not a basic proficiency.
Socrates/Plato/Aristotle advocated 10 years to mastery.
It was Malcolm Gladwell in his book "Outliers" where he uses this resource to explain the 10,000 hour requirement who brought it into the common phraseology.
It's a good paper and I agree with it's findings.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Scientific studies have shown that for quick "mastery" of a technique you need to do it daily 100's of times BUT for long term mastery you don't need anything like that.
I don't recall the exact numbers though, sorry.
But the point was that for "quick learning" then excessive repetition was needed (short term muscle memory) but for long term learning a more paced and "regimented" way was best.
Probably because one can't sustain an excessive regime for very long so, for "best of both worlds" it makes since to drill a new technique excessively for a short period and then back off to a "maintenance' pace.
Which I think most here would agree.
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I think you also have to adjust for the activity. Guitar playing, painting, computer programming etc are all solo activities. People I've known who I feel have "mastered" activities like these go through intense periods of self-study where they might hide themselves away for days or weeks and practice on their own.
Learning a new language and martial arts are a bit different in that they require partner or group interaction. In many cases, it is either inconvenient or harmful to engage in partner work all the time, so you have to choose your supplementary exercises carefully.
Some skill will take far more than 500 reps to develop it. The "twist and spring" throw requires 3 different forces,
1. straight line spring,
2. circular twisting, and
3. downward pullling.
In the following clip, the instructor only mentioned the 1st and 2nd forces. The 3rd force was not mentioned.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDkyMTI1Mjg4.html
For the 1st 500 reps, you may not even be able to learn how to integrate all 3 forces yet.
Some techniques are easy to learn. Some techniques are not.
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sanjuro_ronin;1208398]Scientific studies have shown that for quick "mastery" of a technique you need to do it daily 100's of times BUT for long term mastery you don't need anything like that.
I don't recall the exact numbers though, sorry.
I recall a professional musician telling me about a study that claimed 70 repetitions are required for learning a basic skill--but I don't know what study the information was based on.
But the point was that for "quick learning" then excessive repetition was needed (short term muscle memory) but for long term learning a more paced and "regimented" way was best.
Probably because one can't sustain an excessive regime for very long so, for "best of both worlds" it makes since to drill a new technique excessively for a short period and then back off to a "maintenance' pace.
Which I think most here would agree.
This makes sense. I was surprised to see how little time for daily training was set aside for "master" musicians. Consistency over time seems to be more important than duration of each practice.
And burnout is bad. That's what I got from it.
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"Look, I'm only doing me job. I have to show you how to defend yourself against fresh fruit."
For it breeds great perfection, if the practise be harder then the use. Sir Francis Bacon
the world has a surplus of self centered sh1twh0res, so anyone who extends compassion to a stranger with sincerity is alright in my book. also people who fondle road kill. those guys is ok too. GunnedDownAtrocity
Pretty much yes.
I think the number is gonna be different from one person to another of course but the point is what are you focusing on RIGHT now?
If you want short term gains then excessive repetitions is the way to go, if you want long term then a lower and more steady pace is preferable.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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