Jiu Wan - Francis Fong - Steven Broughman - Alejandro Arocha - Me
Jiu Wan - Francis Fong - Steven Broughman - Alejandro Arocha - Me
Not this again.
This subject has been gone over time and again on here already and I'm pretty sure both sides agree: Hung Fa Yi and TWC are not the same system and both stand on their own. Even a quick look at their SNT clips will show this to be the case.
And yes, while it appears that they are closer cousins and share more similarities than if compared to most of the other YM and non-YM lineages (I mean, they are ALL WC and will have similarities to varying degrees), they are still 2 separate systems.
Regardless, IMO, to really answer this, one would have to have some direct experience in at least 2 of the three (which I'm assuming LCP does not, but I could be wrong). But I'm interested in seeing what he has to say!
Last edited by JPinAZ; 01-27-2013 at 02:51 PM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Very interesting thread to see who is out there and how the wing chun family maps together.
Yip Man-Yip Chun-Sam Kwok-Trevor Jefferson -Me since 1985
Apart from countless hours with mt sifu, sigung and dai sigung, I have also been fortunate to share many experiences with my friends and seniors in the WSL Family, David Peterson, Cliff Au Yeung, Alan Gibson, Ged Kenerk et al. I have also been fortunate to spend many days learning from Lun Kai Sifu in Foshan and seminars and privates with many different lineages and sifu.
Paul
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Actually he does sometimes, privately at least. In front of his students I refer to him as Master Jeff (because he has earned that rank) and similarly, in front of his students he refers to me as "your si-pak" or just "Sifu Steve" if several sifus are present (using the term "sifu" in it's meaning as an instructor or "one with proficiency", not as your personal "teacher-father").
Seriously, you can use whatever terms you like, but your attitude and actions will either show respect ...or not. And I respect this guy.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Correct me if i am wrong fellas, but isn't hung Fa yi decended from Hung Gun Biu?
Lee Chiang Po says his sytem decends from Hung Gun, what are the chances this is the same person?
Doesn't Hung Fa Yi also claim it was a military art? hmmm
Perhaps you guys were not reading the same posts that i did lol
Last edited by kung fu fighter; 01-29-2013 at 08:34 AM.
I was excited when LCP originally came here and told this story. And, if the stories his father was told were correct, then yes, it very well could be the same Hung Gun (Biu) and be from the same system he taught (or a version of it). But to really know for sure, one would need first hand experience of both systems (and not second hand stories).
Until then, hopefully Lee Chiang can take a look at one of the HFY SNT forms on youtube and let us know if it's the same or similar to what he was taught? (lee, if you are interested and need help finding a clip, let me know and I can post up a link)
No need to make assumptions. I have read what you quoted when LCP posted them.
If you re-read in that last quote, he also said "Now, what I have been trying to do is keep from making statements of fact. I don't have the facts. Too much myth to really know." I would agree.
Being a HFY practitioner for over 10 years, I think LCP's stories are very interesting and I would like to know more about what he's learned and maybe meet up with him some day if I have a chance. But I don't think it's fair for anyone to start drawing any conclusions about what is what simply based on myths - and he seems to feel the same apparently.
But, my main reason for originally posting is to draw the the distinction between HFY & TWC and how they are not the same system. HFY and TWC members have said several time they are not the same and that's more than good enough for me. Hopefully this is good enough for you.
Just curious what your interest is in this or why you assume they are all the same, if none of the actual parties of the systems even feel this way with any large degree of certainty?
Last edited by JPinAZ; 01-29-2013 at 12:50 PM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
My suspician is that GM William Cheung Learnt Hung Fa wing chun in secreacy and was not allowed to divulge from whom he learnt it from for whatever reason. He then had no choice but to claim he learnt it from ip man, after Ip's death. But it's quite possible that he reveild the true source to only one or two of his most trusted deciples, which would explain why Rich Spain renamed TWC as Hung Suen wing chun. I Believe GM Garrett Gee also learnt this same system and added to it's curriculam over the years. just my opinion
In regards to why none of the actual parties of these systems would admit to it, it's probably because they are afraid of political issues with one another lol
Hell, why not. I include just those that are alive in this list.
Ip Chun>*not telling*>me
Classic!*not telling*
I'm not certified by Ip Chun either