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I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
I never disagreed with that. like I said a few posts ago, it's a different means to a similar end. the difference is that you gotta call a spade a spade. but because of years of calling a spade a kwan dao, people think stance training is for building leg strength, and it's not.
Last edited by SevenStar; 02-27-2013 at 01:58 PM.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
it's growing slowly. they've been having competitions in California for at least 15 years. this year there are also competitions in Memphis, Kansas and a few other cities. it fits with mma well. it's fast and hard, the grappling is basically judo with no gi and there is strength training and conditioning of striking surfaces as well.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
Stance training, such as the static versions, has a diminishing return effect. When you have a beginner, stance training has a serious impact. They learn proper stance, gain new endurance/strength, develop dedication to the new practice, and so on. This is for specific static training. At a certain point into your training, you don't (IMO) really need static stance training any longer. You're going to get enough static benefit from training in and of itself. IE: Drills, drills, drills, form.
This is strictly from a combat perspective. If you're talking health, longevity, old age, rehabilitation, internal meditation, qigong, etc. then static training has more specific approaches.
I firmly believe static stance training has its place and purpose when you begin Chinese martial arts.
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They are gaining endurance, not strength.
Their raw strength does not increase (past the first minute or two of training).
In other words, the maximum amount of tension their muscles can generate does not increase.
Muscle soreness is not indicative of a productive workout, only of muscles doing something they're not used to doing. It doesn't mean it was an intelligent use of those muscles.Argument: Stance training builds muscles, but only those necessary to hold that particular stance; in that specific shape. Stance training can only help you hold that particular stance longer, nothing more.
Question: I find it hard to believe that these muscles only serve one specific function, i.e. holding Ma Bu. They don't have any other uses? Whenever you do any kind of new exercise, you will have sore muscles you don't normally notice. If I run and lift weights and do aerobics everyday, then one day decide to swim 100 laps, I'm going to feel a whole new world of sore muscles. It seems to me strengthening these different groups must benefit your overall strength. Is this incorrect?
After 2 minutes you no longer gain strength, and those strength gains in the first 2 minutes really only apply to untrained athletes. A weight lifter who increases from a 30 second stance to a 2 minute stance probably won't have gained any strength.Argument: After 2 minutes of holding a static stance there is no additional benefit.
Question: So is it beneficial to hold the stance for 2 minutes as opposed to 15?
Obviously after 2 minutes you're still gaining muscular endurance as evidenced by the fact that you are increasing the amount of time you can hold a stance.
How is stance training a stretch? It works the muscles in a position that is nowhere near the limit of flexibility for most people.Argument: Stance training has no direct benefit to a fighter.
Question: Putting aside mental toughness and rooting, some stances make for good stretches. Gung Bu and Pu Bu, for instance. These same stances are often trained as stretches outside the martial arts world. Some other stances are great for balance, I would consider the cat stance and the various versions of one footed stances to be helpful in maintaining balance and developing sensitivity in the ankle, to help regain compromised balance. I feel like this skill is very beneficial to a fighter. Is there no benefit to the stretching and balancing practice either?
Disclaimer: I didn't read any other posts in this thread. Maybe this has already been said.
But hey, if you enjoy stance training, then go for it. It definitely benefits traditional martial arts practice which does a lot of stance holding. And it's better than not doing any leg exercises.
Last edited by IronFist; 02-27-2013 at 05:10 PM.
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