If it's a demonstrable, repeatable experience that is shared by all, then that's something else.
What personal experience are you asking about? And what skeptics? Educated people who understand the process? or just dudes on the street who don't believe you for reasons that are just as irrational as your belief?
And for the record, I have never asked for a personal experience as a conclusive form of evidence.
Actually, wait.... define personal experience.
Are all experiences personal? are shared experiences still personal? does it have to be something only you feel/see/whatever to be personal experience? Would watching the sun come up in the morning be a personal experience?
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I will say this though, "eye witness" testimony is the lowest form of evidence.
If you can make it work, you can make it work. That's that. We hear claims all the time of people saying they can do this and that yet until they show us that it works under reasonable conditions, no... I have no reason to believe them. If it's somebody I trust I may give them the benefit of doubt though.
Reasonable conditions is the key here. If it works on me, that doesn't mean it will work on everyone else.
If I say this product A can turn all metals into gold and then show you it turning iron into gold... all I have shown you is that it turns iron to gold and cannot say I have shown it changes all metals to gold. Feel me?
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If you say the bible works for you, great. Seriously. Have at it. Just don't project your ideals on me and we're good. If you insist that god is real, I require more than just your word that you know that it's true.
agreed. i mean look, they just found the god particle. i just don't believe it will happen in my life timeTo be fair though, this is less and less with each and every day.
Especially now, in this time where learning and accumulation of knowledge is exponential in nature.
does anyone know an atheist that died as one?
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
I know, we just always end up there. lol. And it is a ghost thread after all. And no disrespect intended, but they are in the same league to me. I have no issue with peoples beliefs, it's their actions I have issue with. Not you, of course. You are always willing to engage in a civilized debate and willing to listen as well as talk and I respect that.
Yes but they are repeatable which makes them a communal experience that anyone can observe. When they are successful of course. Not every hypothesis works out. I get what you are saying though, which is why I asked for you to define personal experience. I put eye witness in quotations because I meant it as a personal observation. Personal as in nobody, or not everybody, had the same observation. That isn't to say that a personal experience can't be true, just that it isn't evidence to others. Of course you believe your experiences validate your belief in a God, but it's just that... personal. As in not for others.
Thanks, I appreciate that and view you in the same light
Personally I have never seen or experienced anything "paranormal" in the sense of Ghosts and such.
Do I think they exist?
I quess that would depend on what a ghost is of course.
If we are energy and energy can't be destroyed and can only change form then who is to say that when we die out "living energy" becomes "dead energy" and that is what MAY be called "ghosts" or "spirits".
As a christian I certainly believe in life after death and in lifer after, life after death ( the resurrection). Can I prove it? Nope. Is their evidence for it?
Depends on how you view evidence such as NDE and such.
To be honest I have never put much study into NDE and such so...
I am open to the possibility of "restless spirits" of course.
I am also open to the possibility that WC works
I am probably delusional !
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !