I don't argue

[Lucas]

is a superiority complex.

[Jimbo]

In the

- longfist system, some people brought in Baji or praying mantis flavor into it. All longfist guys would encourage that kind of behavior.
- SC system, some people brought in western wrestling or Judo flavor into it. All SC guys would also encourage that kind of behavior.
- WC system, if you bring anything new into WC, people would say that your system is no longer "pure". Worse than that, people would say that because you have not mastered your own WC system, that's why you need to borrow skills from other styles.

IMO, the more 'specialized' a system is, in general there is more tendency among (many of) its practitioners to argue for style purity. Systems like Long Fist, CLF, etc., are 'all-around' systems and, thus, more inclusive. It's not such a big deal to bring other ideas or skill sets into them, if one chooses.

[YouKnowWho]

In another forum, I saw some threads such as:

- Proud of your Karate?
- Will you choose TKD as a martial art?
- Do you train no-gi Judo?
- ...

If you get into any of those discussion, you will definitely involve some argument.

[Kellen Bassette]

In another forum, I saw some threads such as:

- Proud of your Karate?
- Will you choose TKD as a martial art?
- Do you train no-gi Judo?
- ...

If you get into any of those discussion, you will definitely involve some argument.

Those are what we call "loaded questions."

[bawang]

In the

- longfist system, some people brought in Baji or praying mantis flavor into it. All longfist guys would encourage that kind of behavior.
- SC system, some people brought in western wrestling or Judo flavor into it. All SC guys would also encourage that kind of behavior.
- WC system, if you bring anything new into WC, people would say that your system is no longer "pure". Worse than that, people would say that because you have not mastered your own WC system, that's why you need to borrow skills from other styles.

wing chun guys obsess about being pure, because their soul is impure.

[Syn7]

Purity is a lack of sophistication.

[TaichiMantis]

When I first discovered martial arts I wanted to share my journey, hear about and learn from other's journey, learn about the history and cultural background of my style, etc. I was very enthusiastic on various boards and forums, even moderated for awhile. I agree that good mods can help curtail and educate folks on avoiding personal attacks. Tolerance is needed toward newbies and the many questions that get asked over and over again. Masters, Sifus, students of various levels interact with various levels of anonymity on this forum. Levels of "knowledge" in martial arts or the style you practice differ greatly. We are all at different levels of self knowledge. Also, communication in print is tricky for many reasons, especially for those whose first language is not English.
This forum is full of testosterone with very few female perspectives...

Why am I still here and what is my point?

My real world includes a part called martial arts. It is not a huge part and the time and energy I have put into it has varied over the past ten years. I feel I have a level of competence and confidence to defend myself. Others who have crossed hands, trained, sparred with me can see this. My teachers see this. They, and I also know where I am lacking. I don't need a forum for affirmation or criticism. Head knowledge and body knowledge are two different things, tricky to discuss on a forum. Chinese martial arts, are definitely helping me more with the mind body spirit connection and I am grateful my Sifu knows the martial and healing side of our style.

I do enjoy reading the posts of many on this board...others not so much. What have I learned? In the words of Ecclesiastes 1:9
New International Version (NIV)
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

[YouKnowWho]

What's wrong with the following 2 conversions?

A: I have different opinion on this?
B: Who are you? How long have you trained? Who is your teacher?
A: I'm ...., I have trained TCMA for ... years, my teacher was ...
B: Do you come here to show your pen!s size?

A: I have different opinion on this?
B: Who are you? How long have you trained? Who is your teacher?
A: I'm ...., I have trained TCMA for 6 months, I don't have teacher. I learn TCMA from online clips ...
B: Since you are nobody, you should just shout up and let adults talk here.

Are human being truly this evil?

[Syn7]

What's wrong with the following 2 conversions?

A: I have different opinion on this?
B: Who are you? How long have you trained? Who is your teacher?
A: I'm ...., I have trained TCMA for ... years, my teacher was ...
B: Do you come here to show your pen!s size?

A: I have different opinion on this?
B: Who are you? How long have you trained? Who is your teacher?
A: I'm ...., I have trained TCMA for 6 months, I don't have teacher. I learn TCMA from online clips ...
B: Since you are nobody, you should just shout up and let adults talk here.

Are human being truly this evil?

No. That's not evil, it's misguided. People are people, and a personality clash or poor social skills doesn't really have anything to do with evil. In a loose sense it is about morality, but one should be careful when using such interactions to pigeon hole and stereotype people. Especially as evil. That's just crazy.

It gets even murkier when talking about subjective topics like fighting. There are wrong ways to fight, but there is no right way to fight. Just better ways in certain situations given certain, and many, variables. It's different than when talking about something more objective where there is a definite answer and anyone who disagrees is plain wrong. It shouldn't be a surprise when such subjective matters that appeal to peoples passions end in conflict. You see it all the time, why should this be any different?

[Jimbo]

When I first discovered martial arts I wanted to share my journey, hear about and learn from other's journey, learn about the history and cultural background of my style, etc. I was very enthusiastic on various boards and forums, even moderated for awhile. I agree that good mods can help curtail and educate folks on avoiding personal attacks. Tolerance is needed toward newbies and the many questions that get asked over and over again. Masters, Sifus, students of various levels interact with various levels of anonymity on this forum. Levels of "knowledge" in martial arts or the style you practice differ greatly. We are all at different levels of self knowledge. Also, communication in print is tricky for many reasons, especially for those whose first language is not English.
This forum is full of testosterone with very few female perspectives...

Why am I still here and what is my point?

My real world includes a part called martial arts. It is not a huge part and the time and energy I have put into it has varied over the past ten years. I feel I have a level of competence and confidence to defend myself. Others who have crossed hands, trained, sparred with me can see this. My teachers see this. They, and I also know where I am lacking. I don't need a forum for affirmation or criticism. Head knowledge and body knowledge are two different things, tricky to discuss on a forum. Chinese martial arts, are definitely helping me more with the mind body spirit connection and I am grateful my Sifu knows the martial and healing side of our style.

I do enjoy reading the posts of many on this board...others not so much. What have I learned? In the words of Ecclesiastes 1:9
New International Version (NIV)
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Thank you sharing your perspective.

[YouKnowWho]

I have seen someone starts a thread in another forum as:

"This is my new article ... Please feel free to share with others ..."

Many people gave feed back on the OP's article. The OP just defended his article and turned down those suggestions one by one.

- First, he didn't ask for different opinions. He just said ," feel free to share ...". You can't criticize him not willing to accept different opinions.

- Second, even if he did, he still had right to keep his opinion without changing.

Will you start a thread discussion that you know your opinion is fixed and won't be changed no matter what others may say? What may be the reason that you want to start that discussion thread in the first?

Your thought?

[Lucas]

What may be the reason that you want to start that discussion thread in the first?

seeking praise or looking to gloat. self motivation driven by a need to feed the ego.

[YouKnowWho]

seeking praise or looking to gloat. self motivation driven by a need to feed the ego.

First I thought that might be the motivation behind it. I then realize that it won't make sense. We just don't see Muhammad Ali joints in any MA form and share his experience. Why?

If you are good, the more that you have expressed your opinion, the less mystery that people will think about you. The moment people think that you are just another human being, people won't care about you any more.

If Bruce Lee is still alive today, joined in our WC form, and argue with our WC members here whether his WC is pure or not, will people still respect him after that?

If you are

- somebody, arguing will make you become nobody.
- nobody, can you truly become somebody by arguing on the internet forum? I strongly doubt about that.

[Jimbo]

First I thought that might be the motivation behind it. I then realize that it won't make sense. We just don't see Muhammad Ali joints in any MA form and share his experience. Why?

If you are good, the more that you have expressed your opinion, the less mystery that people will think about you. The moment people think that you are just another human being, people won't care about you any more.

If Bruce Lee is still alive today, joined in our WC form, and argue with our WC members here whether his WC is pure or not, will people still respect him after that?

If you are

- somebody, arguing will make you become nobody.
- nobody, can you truly become somebody by arguing on the internet forum? I strongly doubt about that.

When someone has achievements in MA (or anything, for that matter), and they come on forums and say things like, "I've done this, this, this, and this. So what have you achieved? You haven't achieved anything like me...", that tarnishes them in my eyes, no matter how much good they've accomplished.

If you've accomplished good things, or have helped other people, etc., you should be happy within yourself, or for them, and not have to boast about it, or get into a p!$$ing contest with someone else over who's accomplished more in life or helped more people.

[wenshu]

First I thought that might be the motivation behind it. I then realize that it won't make sense. We just don't see Muhammad Ali joints in any MA form and share his experience. Why?

If you are good, the more that you have expressed your opinion, the less mystery that people will think about you. The moment people think that you are just another human being, people won't care about you any more.

If Bruce Lee is still alive today, joined in our WC form, and argue with our WC members here whether his WC is pure or not, will people still respect him after that?

If you are

- somebody, arguing will make you become nobody.
- nobody, can you truly become somebody by arguing on the internet forum? I strongly doubt about that.

That's what publicists are for.

For some reason many prominent individuals choose to roll in the mud with plebes on the internet. It's almost always as entertaining as it is in poor judgment.

Considering how much you perseverate about that Judo forum anecdote maybe you have issues when people don't care what you think?

When someone has achievements in MA (or anything, for that matter), and they come on forums and say things like, "I've done this, this, this, and this. So what have you achieved? You haven't achieved anything like me...", that tarnishes them in my eyes, no matter how much good they've accomplished.

If you've accomplished good things, or have helped other people, etc., you should be happy within yourself, or for them, and not have to boast about it, or get into a p!$$ing contest with someone else over who's accomplished more in life or helped more people.

I find even unaccomplished people who talk about themselves distasteful. I almost always suffer a self induced cringe whenever I catch myself doing it. Like right now sort of.

"I've been talking about myself for the last hour, why don't you tell me about myself for a while."