Originally Posted by Grumblegeezer
I hope I'm still going strong like Joy when I reach his age. But really, Joy isn't old!
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I am not a Wing Chun History researcher, my work is in other fields of study, non-martial art related. Those of you who are spending time in China meeting up with the remaining old masters, following leads and inspecting and translating documentation, in essence: going beyond the mythological and hearsay... you guys, including Rene Ritchie and Sal Calzoneri (?) and others. When I got into Wing Chun there was only the myth being offered as to the origin of the style.So what if WingChun has an esoteric "Zen"-like internal foundation? Don't the earlier formation of Taoist "internal styles" embrace this same equilibrium of spirit?
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There is nothing wrong with your English, its your crap attitude that's the problem.
Have a look at this......
What exactly does that mean?Sifu Sergio is certainly a very special westerner wcner who is willing to open his eyes to see the facture reality and keep improving himself
Thats he is a "special westerner" because he agrees with you?????? Is he a good boy is he?
Only the Chinese guys get it do they?
So because i dont, what does that make me? A slightly retarded westerner????
Honestly, your racist overtones to prove your point are repulsive at best
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What he's saying is the westerner Sergio arrives in HK like a cowboy to save the Chinese people because they can't figure out there own history. The Chinese culture owns so much to this western for restoring the lost Chinese history is ridiculous.
here's my contribution for looking up decades old research.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_VxBzCThkA
Sifu Sergio story is fake
The history of Sergio I. is fake.
Here is the real story of Ip Man and Chu Chung Man.
Sergio change the history in his marketing benefit.
Told by Wang Kiu 1992 The Netherlands
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Absolutely!
But it is funny, as he tries to distance himself from LT by saying that the LT system, and the Yip Man system as a whole, is only part of a wider Wing Chun world.
It's funny for two reasons.
Firstly, what he teaches is actually mostly the Yip Man system with info/tech added in from other lineages - and when he says "Yip Man Wing Chun system", that really means - in his case - LT Wing Tsun, as that is the system he studied for many years.
Secondly, he advocates that people look "outside of the Yip Man box" to see what else is there and to see not just what Yip Man taught to different people, but to look at what Yip Man himself was taught by his own contemporaries... which of course is history repeating, as LT was saying this and doing this in the late 70s.
Much of Sergio's research is him treading in LT's footsteps. It's a good thing, however, as in our Youtube age it means he can do what LT never could... he can video his meetings with people and in the blink of eye make it available publicly... so we should all thank Sergio for that.
So he does what he does because he genuinely wants to learn and to share, but he also does this because it differentiates him from others and helps him expand his business (his organisation, his upcoming book, his various series of DVDs, etc). So in terms of marketing and money-making, he took more than a few ideas from Leung Ting too
It is still not easy, in Europe, to get the LT system as LT teaches it... but it is slightly easier today than it was, say, 10-15 years ago. So back in the early 2000's, Sergio pitched his organisation as teaching the real LT system. This was what many in Europe wanted, so he grew his organisation to several thousand members. As it became clear that he really didn't have a monopoly on this, he started to inject 'new' things into his teaching.
If you look at the language he uses on his website, the message is as clear as day. Essentially, he's saying: he teaches what others don't know, he has access to people others don't have access to, he has discovered things that others couldn't/haven't, he learns certain things from people he won't name/reveal... but he teaches all of this to you if you are part of his organisation. Basically, the message is that he can give you something no one else can (and this means Wing Chun, spiritual teachings, success coaching, etc).
He's a great salesman (as well as being skilled in Wing Chun). I heard (rumour) that one of the reasons he left LT's organisation was because he wanted to be the chief LTWT instructor for America, but that LT wouldn't give it to him as LT thought Sergio's rank was not high enough for such an undertaking.
Looking back, this was probably a bit of a mistake from LT (he's made many such mistakes, in truth). Sergio would have been the perfect person to have taken control of the US market and spread the LT system there. His dedication and zeal, combined with his marketing approach, would have grown the organisation to a huge size.
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Thank you GlennR. Guess I'm not a lone wolf after all.
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All you contribute to is confusion and trying to take wing chun in the wrong direction. You do not even practice wing chun. You are afraid spar. You are afraid to meet any wing chun people who might ask to spar and will only meet with non threatening like minded people. How in the world can you think that you have anything but a very very very superficial understanding of wing chun. Understanding comes from performance not from anything else. You don't learn to box or understand boxing through practicing breathing exercises outside the gym.
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Hey Hendrik do you mind clarify this one instead?
A week ago comment under Sifu Sergio video part 2 relating wck origin.
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He intentionally makes use of other name and change the year from 1890 to 1894 making a confusion. to new people under Sifu Sergio. However people here should know the year 1890. What for ?
Is his interpretation of scwc kuit correct ? Why he changed the kuit meaning. He leads a lot of misunderstanding to others.
He made a public announcement here that not learning any from SCWC, and doesn't know anything from SCWC. Today, why he brings a lot of snake crane lineage related things out on the Kung Fu magazine forum and utube to represent his understanding on what SCWC is. He doesn't have any right to use SCWC kuit and change the ORIGINAL meaning of it, because of his public announcement. Interesting guy...
"Fact is fact" :
1. The year should be 1890, not 1894. 1894 are repeatedly used after his announcement. He has no right to change it. Why?
2. Also, the meaning of S2飛麟九轉表掌通 is listed in the paper "Siu Nin Tau Code & Lim Tau Song , the legend, the art , and history of Wing Chun Kuen" published in Wing Chun magazine by New Martial Hero(Europe). It is " Flying snake rotates the head in nine ways to represent the palm techniques." What for ?
It is totally ridiculous, and how come he changes things in his own ways and brings out to the public. Does he know SCWC more than me? hahha... Similar to that does he know ykwc more than Cho's family members. It seems only he knows everything on Wing Chun Kuen exclusively.
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1000delight1 週前
These are the 1850 and the 1894 kuit describing the "snake" part of SNT in this part 2 of sifu Sergio YouTube. S# is 1894 from the snake crane lineage document Y# is 1850 from the yik kam lineage document S# and Y# are label and number so that in the future one can identify which kuit by number even though English translation might varies. S2飛麟九轉表掌通 The spine of the Flying snake turn nine ways to represent the through of the force flow handling Y6手臂鞭出橫力勁 The hand and arm whip out the horizontal Jin ( force flow) Y7神寄指爪䄂底旁。 Pay attention to handling of the finger, craw , and the side under the sleeve . Y8旋迥自然順脈氣 Spiral twisting (turning ) naturally , follow the breathing and the direction of the Qi flow in the medirians. Note: Y7 and Y8 of the pre 1850 writing above are from the Emei 12 zhuang ancient document by evidence. And due to we can track to the Emei 12 zhuang or the mother art writing exactly , that give us a clear details on the contents and handling and relationship of SNT to its mother art.
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People make up all kinds of sh!t, apparently. There's no mention of a head or a spine in this. There's no mention of a specific body part turning at all, and the animal mentioned is a Chinese unicorn. How did that turn into snake?I hate it when people add a bunch of bullsh!t into their "translations". Just say exactly what it says.
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