Yep, from the point of view of any meaningful commentary, this thread should have ended about 20 pages ago. On the other hand, it is getting pretty funny lately. Sort of an "F-you!" "No F-you!!!!", "Yeah, well take your Tan-sau and shove it where the sun don't shine!!!!! conversation.
Ok, I'm almost done laughing. Just a few chuckles left. ...There now. All done. Say guys, whatever happened to accepting that others are entitled to having a different point of view. Honestly, both groups have made some decent observations. But it's almost like there's a void left by Kevin's absence that someone has to fill. Same after Terrance left. Dang, now I'm laughing again. Excuse me for now.
No answer??
I post 3 videos addressing questions -
On types of punching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfYmNhg4f9c
On Bridge control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsOf4p96Lk
On Hidden skills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AlwYt3Yo5k
Other questions? The hand positioning you asked about - I didn't think that was a real question. If you have fight skills then you will know - You train your skill your way. The you need to apply it to the problem - thats the conceptual part of wing chun. You have someone swing at you - then you can't just have you hands in the middle. We are not robots we use our skills to deal with real problems.
Yes you posted your opinion and I told you our system was different too boxing and different to many other wing chun styles. But you continued to repeat the same - well done, but its still not wing chun. Can you not see that is disrespect to my fighters hard work, my hard work my teachers hard work. If your told it is our Wing Chun and you don't see it then 'fine. But don't keep telling me its not after I confirmed it was our wing chun. Its just Wing Chun you don't understand.
You as a Wing Chun practitioner yourself can't see it, and you thought perhaps people on the general forum who would likely know much less about Wing Chun might? Sounds fishy...
You'd really be admitting you have super low-level Wing Chun understanding then, if non-practitioners can see it and you can't (which seems to have been the actual outcome). If everyone there agreed with you that there was no Wing Chun in the fight you would have undoubtedly brought it back to this thread as points for your team. Instead it's another mark on the scoreboard for the Iron Wolves!
Alan, regarding the hand position, LFJ posted this clip - one of yours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj9mTuia70A
Above is what I said, and the questions I asked. No one is talking about 'just having hands in the middle'. I also said that of course they don't remain there. For example, I said this regarding the Man Sau Wu Sau guard:
The questions I make above were also asked by JPinAZ. It's about why you would assume a covering position before an attack.
As always, you can do whatever you like - but I am asking why you do it that way, and above I explained why I am asking it.
If you read what I posted, I think you can see that I'm asking genuine questions.
I've already said that I do spar (light contact with no protection and also harder contact with gloves, box and gum shield), but I've also said that I don't fight in competitions. So I do spar and I do have questions for Alan, based on watching his sparring. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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If you sparred with any degree of pressure you wouldn't continue to ask stupid questions about hand positions, did you read my explanation of hand positioning? You strike me as an eloquent and intelligent person and I think you understand perfectly what we've explained. Now your just making yourself look silly, move on.
Now it's hard to answer this question without implying that you are either a beginners level in the martial arts or just a day dreamer. But you are pushing the point again. So let's make it clear for you. Whoever you are.
It you spar or fight with good level guys then you will get hit. If will not always be able to apply you drilled application in real time. I know it sucks but in the real world you have to have back up plans. So bridging controlling and taking out you opponent in 3 seconds is great. But when your opponent is tough and not playing you have to be able to take the rough with the smooth.
The defence block I showed as a few levels to it, so I only showed the basic idea. Of course most people can work out that I'm showing a clip of 3-5 mins to open peoples mind to CSL wing Chun and to share some helpful ideas - as my guys have a lot if real pressure experience many people find it helpful that we share our hard earned knowledge.
If the guy throw a fast punch and your too late to control it then you need to block that's the bottom line
If anyone can tell him they can spar or fight one of my guys or me and not need to cover up at some point then please say now as I like to hear about it. I have never sparred and not had to cover. In chi sao I do better as it's a focused alive drill which I have a higher that most skill. On the street it's not a sport or a game so lots of rules change, that's another story.
So please grow up and understand wing chun is not a computer game or a black and white result
It's because I spar that I am asking these questions
I did, but you didn't address what I was talking about - as far as I could tell. In a nutshell, what is your system's logic behind assuming a covering position before receiving punches, as opposed to having a guard that, from a starting point, offers you the chance to monitor the gates and ranges, plus puts your weapons closer to the target?
I'm trying to understand how this idea fits into your CSL system. JPinAZ asked essentially the same question. You haven't replied since then, so I don't see where you answered. If you don't want to answer, just say so.
I agreed with you that during a barrage of attacks this covering can and will happen.
Again, I'm not sure what you mean. I only spar regularly with a few WT guys (due to how and where I train these days), but I also train with people from other arts (some with a MT background, some a Karate background and boxing background). I admit that none of these people are professional fighters. Is that what you mean when you say 'likeminded individuals'.
If yes, then okay... I admit that I am not sparring with pro fighters who make a living from getting in the ring. But I am training with people who are looking to punch and kick me hard. Not sure how that invalidates my opinion, or makes my experience not worth considering.
If you're critiquing the fact that my sparring is stand up only, then guilty as charged - I don't train any ground fighting system.
Alan, what the hell! I am not disagreeing with what you just wrote... you just explained why you need to cover. I am in agreement. I even explained why this problem solving is needed and will happen.
If you read (and understood what I actually wrote), I am talking about why in the 'light sparring clip' your guys are covering BEFORE THERE ARE ANY PUNCHES THROWN.
I have no problem with your instructional clip.
I think I've been really clear. Are you simply reading fast and not understanding? Because you are not getting what I, and also JPinAZ was saying.
@BPWT - I think PB is in Budapest right now. http://www.vingtsun.hu/