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I wouldn't give this a chin na title I would say this goes to the roots of BJJ from the JJ side.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
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I'm surprised to hear that the wrist lock wasn't popular previously.
That was one of the first things I went for the first time I rolled with a BJJ guy.
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didn't say style. When inferred to "chin na" automatically its Chinese. I said for this guy it probably comes from his JJ roots in BJJ.Chin Na is not a style. It's just a general term for "joint locking".
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
Actually, no. To Chinese speakers, and a lot of kung fu people, it's just any seizing and locking. I know some people may read this differently, based on their introduction to it I would imagine, but it is merely a work for seizing and locking. It doesn't presume a source, it is a descriptor. Also, it's a lot quicker to type than the alternatives.
I'm just saying generally speaking. "most" people.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
To get to wrist locking, you have to grab, at least some semblance of it. Previous to that, you have to enter (adroitly) apply some level of feint, grab/redirect, trip, etc and depending on the others' strategy, adapt. Fresh on the ground locking is not a good idea unless the fellow is a legend in his own mind and he drop within 1 min. of the encounter. "Hitting' is good, some level of boxing (a western audience strategy) as you know! jus' sayin
I dunno, do most english speaking kung fu folk read chin na that way? I just assumed otherwise, but that's just because of how I first learned it, it was a general term in most usages. Like, shuai jiao was definitely referencing chinese throws, but chin na was viewed as just seizing and locking, it didn't make a huge difference whose.
I assumed that was the norm.
And it's still quicker to type.
Shuai Jiao refers to an art form. "Shuai" is throwing, "Chi na" is lock and control.
One day a Karate guy asked me what did I train, I told him that I trained Kung Fu. He said, "You train Chinese Karate (the empty hands way)".
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