For Those that Would Re-Write Yong Chun History

[sanjuro_ronin]

Instead of addressing someone who understands this and has made it a point since the OP , convince the others. You make it seem as if I don't understand this enigma. All I've done is simply give the members of the Wing Chun Forum a formula in which to assess the truth and pointed out their childish behavior.

Unfortunately this is a truth:



In today's society the new generation lacks effective socialization skills. Almost all communication is done via text, email, twitter, facebook, instagram etc. It's a safety net that creates a buffer between them and reality. Online they can be whomever they wish, in real life they may not live up to the persona. We as a society are slowly losing a part of the one thing that has made us a society, physical interaction. This is the fault of our generation, not only did we allow it to happen we nurtured it.

The questions I posed are a simple tool to self realization that can be used to judge the quality, understanding and worth of any martial art a person may practice. These have to be answered honestly and without bias or prejudice to oneself in order for it to be realized. Problem is people can't let go and refuse to question a belief that that gives them hope, irregardless of how negatively it may affect their lives. It is simply fear of (insert caveat here) that keeps them from initiating contact and exploration.



Sounds familiar, but again why direct this at me, I'm the one that pointed it out. You clearly understand the dynamics of both your statements and this forum, so what is the issue?

You're the moderator, moderate, you already know what clearly needs to be done. Whats holding you back?

My comments we made as a GENERAL remark towards those that decide to waste time with lineage issues.
Not YOU in particular.

As for moderation:
I notice that many people look at moderation with the same view as some people look at why God doesn't exist because suffering exists ( in the sense that they believe that if God existed He would/should not allow suffering even if that means no free will).
They want moderation of OTHERS, not themselves.
When they don't like what other do or say they ask for MORE MODERATION !
BUT if this moderation is applied towards them they complain that we are ruining the forum !
I am NOT saying that is the case with YOU, I am simply commenting on the view that we don't moderate this forum enough.

The reality is that we shouldn't HAVE to and they everyone here should be mature enough to call BS on BS and each party proves their point the the best of their ability and then let "the masses" decide.
Unfortunately it doesn't happen here like it should and perhaps YOU guys need to ask YOURSELVES why.

[dlcox]

My comments we made as a GENERAL remark towards those that decide to waste time with lineage issues.
Not YOU in particular.

As for moderation:
I notice that many people look at moderation with the same view as some people look at why God doesn't exist because suffering exists ( in the sense that they believe that if God existed He would/should not allow suffering even if that means no free will).
They want moderation of OTHERS, not themselves.
When they don't like what other do or say they ask for MORE MODERATION !
BUT if this moderation is applied towards them they complain that we are ruining the forum !
I am NOT saying that is the case with YOU, I am simply commenting on the view that we don't moderate this forum enough.

The reality is that we shouldn't HAVE to and they everyone here should be mature enough to call BS on BS and each party proves their point the the best of their ability and then let "the masses" decide.
Unfortunately it doesn't happen here like it should and perhaps YOU guys need to ask YOURSELVES why.

I sincerely agree with your deduction.

They want moderation of OTHERS, not themselves.

This is such a truthful statement and in my personal opinion, falls to each individuals failure to let go of their personal prejudices. Belief without faith is little more than wishful thinking. Whether this is a result of pride, ignorance, comfort etc. is not really made known.

Problem is people can't let go and refuse to question a belief that that gives them hope, irregardless of how negatively it may affect their lives. It is simply fear of (insert caveat here) that keeps them from initiating contact and exploration.

The reality is that we shouldn't HAVE to and they everyone here should be mature enough to call BS on BS and each party proves their point the the best of their ability and then let "the masses" decide.

This stems from lack of intelligence in effective communication skills. Emotionally driven responses instead of calculated and thought out ones.


If you want the forum to change, come up with some simple guidelines of etiquette, post them at the top and enforce them accordingly, problem solved. Only the moderators have this power to exercise this. Be the change you wish to see. As a moderator you are the Adult do not let the spoiled Children dictate how things should be done, it's really not their decision.

[Minghequan]

As I have said over the years, this is YOUR forum so if the majority would like a return to a more aggressive moderated forum I am game.
Just let me know, until then it will be business as usual.

Okay I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop spamming on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop self serving superiority on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop failure to answer honest questions on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

Lastly, I m asking for the same rules applied to Hendrik Santo to be applied to all especially myself as i m sure I hve gone too fr on more than one occasion.

I am happy to have anything I write here moderated if needed and am happy to accept such moderation.

[Chun Ki]

lighten up

Here are 12 basic questions you can ask yourself concerning Yongchun:

1. What are the origins of my line of Yongchun?

Hendrik is my origin, he developed Yongchun technology. I learn technology from Hendrik's youtube channnel, noodledelight.

2. Can the origin claims be substantiated by verifiable documentation?

Yes see GM Fu's signature on that piece of paper with ancient simplified Chinese characters. this is great for re-writing history.

3. Does the documentation coincide with the oral tradition?

Of course, my internet teacher Hendrik's oral tradition is all over the internet, him and Al Gore, the origin of the internet.

4. What are the fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?

In Hendrik yongchun we forge and fabricate evidence. To make it a fact we get non-yongchun old men to sign our fabricated evidence.

5. Are they hypothetical or theoretical?

no its internet theatrics at end of the day, except we dont want the sun to ever set on Hendrik's emei yongchun.

6. What aspects of my line of Yongchun do I hold questionable?

what was that museum address?

7. Do they hold up under investigation?

yes, the key is to lol your way out of questions.

8. How is my line of Yongchun comparatively to other branches?

Its only comparable to Kenneth Lin's fabricated HKB. we use the same fabricated smoke tactics.

9. What are the similarities what are the differences?

Similarities are emei yongchun and hkb yongchun use non-yongchun old men to sign papers.
differences are Sergio hasnt dumped IWKA GM Hendrik yet. Sergio already dumped X-IWKA GM Kenneth.

10. Do these parallels coincide with generally accepted tradition?

yes lying is a tradition of Hendrik's Emei Yongchun technology.

11. What are the accepted fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?

as stated before... fabrication and get non-yongchun old men to sign ancient papers.

12. Do I truly understand and comprehend these concepts beyond the given explanation?

yes keep repeating lies for decades, the goal is to re-write history right? thats what your asking, "for those that would re-write Yong Chun history".

[dlcox]

lighten up


Hendrik is my origin, he developed Yongchun technology. I learn technology from Hendrik's youtube channnel, noodledelight.


Yes see GM Fu's signature on that piece of paper with ancient simplified Chinese characters. this is great for re-writing history.


Of course, my internet teacher Hendrik's oral tradition is all over the internet, him and Al Gore, the origin of the internet.


In Hendrik yongchun we forge and fabricate evidence. To make it a fact we get non-yongchun old men to sign our fabricated evidence.


no its internet theatrics at end of the day, except we dont want the sun to ever set on Hendrik's emei yongchun.


what was that museum address?


yes, the key is to lol your way out of questions.


Its only comparable to Kenneth Lin's fabricated HKB. we use the same fabricated smoke tactics.


Similarities are emei yongchun and hkb yongchun use non-yongchun old men to sign papers.
differences are Sergio hasnt dumped IWKA GM Hendrik yet. Sergio already dumped X-IWKA GM Kenneth.


yes lying is a tradition of Hendrik's Emei Yongchun technology.


as stated before... fabrication and get non-yongchun old men to sign ancient papers.


yes keep repeating lies for decades, the goal is to re-write history right? thats what your asking, "for those that would re-write Yong Chun history".

Very good. Now since you are so good at answering for others how about applying those same questions to yourself.

Betcha can't provide proof for half of the answers you give, so lighten up.

[Sihing73]

Okay I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop spamming on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop self serving superiority on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

I am asking for moderation of the on-going and non stop failure to answer honest questions on these forums by Hendrik Santo.

Lastly, I m asking for the same rules applied to Hendrik Santo to be applied to all especially myself as i m sure I hve gone too fr on more than one occasion.

I am happy to have anything I write here moderated if needed and am happy to accept such moderation.

You are one person, if a number of others request moderation then we can approach doing so.
Unfortunately, if there are say, 30 regular members who post and only 3-5 ask for moderation that does not represent a majority.

Having a life outside of this forum it would be far simpler to simply moderate everything and require all posts to be approved prior to being made public on this forum. his what you want? Keep in mind that the approval process would be on the moderators time and not yours.

[Happy Tiger]

all i can do is>sigh<

[Minghequan]

Sihing73:

You are one person, if a number of others request moderation then we can approach doing so.
Unfortunately, if there are say, 30 regular members who post and only 3-5 ask for moderation that does not represent a majority.

Having a life outside of this forum it would be far simpler to simply moderate everything and require all posts to be approved prior to being made public on this forum. his what you want? Keep in mind that the approval process would be on the moderators time and not yours.

I fully understand where you are coming from. Moderation could be a time consuming and more than often thankless job!

I don't agree with you needing a set percentage. I think the concept of moderation should be is good for the Martial Arts, KFO, the Forum, and the Individuals in that it they should be held in good light regardless of "numbers" ... just as it would be in any good training hall or school.

Having a life outside is big thing. I agree.

I'd be happy to help out where I can as s Moderator if giving the honour and yes believe it or not I would treat it as a honour and a matter of Wude and would strive to be fair to all and to curb the negative including that of myself.

Perhaps having a few moderators would also ease the burden. If one is not up to it they can always be removed as a moderator. Perhaps consider this and give it a try?

[ccwayne]

Wayne,
1.

Thanks but no thanks!

We have no common ground and here on no communication at all is needed. This is my last post. You walk your path I walk mine.

I don't need your help, and remember I have make public announcement to isolate from your information, you, your mun.
Robert Chu , Allan Orr, Sergio, Jim , Phillip , Navin, Derloi , ........ and many many senior Wck sifus
from different lineages around the world can do our job to sharing a part of facts of 1848 Wck . ( which you don't have anyway.)
2.

As in this Hong Kong public post ,
What kind of person are you scolding Law sifu the head of SCWC mun in public on some ones birthday party? Where is your moduk? Your respect to your Mun?

From all the Hong Kong open forum and Facebook post, It doesn't seem like you are the spokesman of the SCWC Mun which you are placing your self either.



武術各介朋友，看圖就知翁生當曰做講師，今天他和一衆師兄弟無說話講了，本人同羅師意見不同，但同一衆過去 同門有見面电話聯系，翁生没有了，問翁生鄭宝林父生日為何拍抬駡羅師當日武林好多人見

(Wayne hit the table and scold his SCWC sifu in pubic at a birthday party, witness by ( in front of ) many Hong Kong Chinese martial artists.)


In case you didn't read
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/...71#post1276871






3.
Yik kam lineage and Cho family is none of your business,
Since moths ago, your intention is to destroy yik kam lineage and cho family due to you cannot leverage our 1848 Wck preservation.

We in Yik kam and Cho family is smart enough to not take your trap to destroy our inheritance from Yik kam and Cho ancestors. We don't have to like each other's, we might not be all agree , but no one will destroy our ancestors' inheritance which is our treasure you attemp to destroy.

Haha... Hendrik, this can show how low level of your research is. Someone post whatever he like to post in the facebook without any proof, you bring it here. Like the emei, as you walked around in Shaghai street, a book collector sold you emei kung fu book, and you really believe it and paid money, and every day to train with this book without any proofing. Then you mix it up with your sifu wck to create your ykwc. .....

I post above here, then someone take it back to the facebook, and saying Hendrik ......
Come on, Hendrik ...... This is exactly what you behave. hahaha...

People and I here ask you what the museum where store the original, you cannot answer, because all emei story, even now my stories you make yourself. You are working alone, no sexeul life no friends, staying home with your ipad for your today emei ykwc.

You look like a child, "I have 1848 wck technology, and you don't have it". hahha... What means! I have my full SCWC system, and why I need yours. YOu are still being challenged where the what you said emei book is. You can never show that, because it doesn't exist.

You modified your sifu 's kuit to make it a bit emei like, then bring it out to argue with Cho's family and Yik's family, theirs are not the original, but you owned it. How come. You talked to me you followed your sifu in 1973 and left sifu in 1976 and your sifu died in 1984. How much you learnt from your sifu's wck.

Today, he said to the world that he ownd the original becaue it is emei like, no one, even Cho's family and Yik's family don't have it. Really ridiculously.

He is really a sick man. He like a famous Kowloon king in Hong Kong. He said he is king of Kowloon since born and he spent his whole life writing his relationship with the
king of the Qing dynasty in EVERY CORNER IN THE STREETS OF HONG KONG.

Same situation on the emei like wck here. He can modify SCWC kuit to suit his emei, he can modify his sifu kuit to fit emei, then it is already emei wck because there is emei enginee there. Other wcks no emei engines. why he convinced people to take the emei enginee, Answer is the Kowloon King.

My interest on the ebook is mainly on the history only. I have my full SCWC system and it is really work and functioning properly. Why I need to learn emei or YKT or others. Why he need to learn emei, copy from others to make his YKT because his wck from his sifu is not complete loh! Then he came to me because he knows scwc is from splitting of one long set. STaying with me for few years lol.

Who is your emei sifu ? People like to know. Where you learn from. Is really from your book getting on the street. YuLoiSanCheung如來神掌秘級, you can get it in a lot of old books collection stores. HK$10.00 only. How much you paid to the street book stall ? I think at that time should me RMB 5.00 only. Then you went to learn it till today. Hahahahahaha......

As I said Ku is 76 now, trained in Cho's wck way still very active and travel in HK, China, Malaysia and Singapore. My sifu 86 trained with SCWC wck for his whole lifem still very active. All you can see...

As I mentioned here before, we cannot just follow the kuit to train ourselves WITHOUR ANY GUIDIANCE. Sifu is in a very important role. No sifu means what ?

I am not redirecting, coming back to the above what I said rumour.

(Wayne hit the table and scold his SCWC sifu in pubic at a birthday party, witness by ( in front of ) many Hong Kong Chinese martial artists.)

Who are the witness ? Can you or he tell me. Many HK Chnese martial artists, who ? How many ? One or Two or thousands ? Now Mok and his wife can say whatever he like to say about me. If you are fair enough, not only bringing their rumours out here, also with my announcements and how their helpers said apologies to me, then let more poeple here to judge how Wayne Yung is. You are happy to have someone blaming Wayne in HK, then bring it out here WITHOUT ANY INVESTIGATION. Like emei book on the street store RMB$5.00, then make your own dream stroy WITHOUT DETAIL THINKING HOW TO PROMOTE, then bring it out you own the TRUE WCK, even Cho's family decending, theirs is FAKE.. Are all we here idiots ?

I have more to fuxk you, fake buddhist off. YOu never said sorry on your public announcment on your quitting to me. You are not my mun people , how come you make a public announcement. You should be aware your culture is not mine, You touched the most sensitive part in Chinese culture. I also like to make a public announcement I don't have any relationship with yours .... and yours .... not my ...... I never touch ... No more relation, please don't ask yours./..not come to me again. I need to keep away from your..... How do you think ? hahaha....

I said again, Fuxking Hendrik, why you bring me up here again. YOu play your emei game here, I have no eyes see how you cheat Sergio, and the people around. As I told Sunny, Sergio's sifu, over an hour in phone, how my point on your wck. Really good ! I don't thnk so. All his wck, today we can see is his custom-made to suit his emei.

Hendrik, don't be EASILY believe anything you find, need to proof BEFORE to show up to the public.

Finally, Your problem with Ku, you made it, go to ask GM Ku, C.Y. and Carlos. You were not Cho's family members. Have you read their declaration in their facebook group. Hahaha... Where Cho's family relationship with me, of course good. We are already lining up internally without any public announcment. I think you don't know it. Please go to ask GM Ku, C.Y. or Carlos.

[ccwayne]

Hendrik, open your fuxing eyes to read my yesterday postings and sharings around the world on faccebook. Where you get yours, just in his fb wall only. Why he does not show it to public ? hahaha.... because it is not true. lol.


Wayne Yung
22小時前 · 已編輯
蛇鶴詠春門跟莫偉強先生已毫無關系，莫生實自去年2013年2月2日已不是本門弟子，是他自已在當天發公開 聲明在其面書上離開家師，與任何人無關。

數年前他邀請本人 Like 其功夫會，所以其發放信息自然地在本人面書出現，並非有人故意挑釁。莫生若不認識這面書功能，可向人作禮貌 式請教。

2009 年 1 月 8 日 蛇鶴詠春門正式成立，並向政府登記註冊，當天並無甚麼多武林同道觀禮，只有陳秀中宗師送贈一對旗於本門，及 新武俠雜誌現場採訪及觀禮，並把蛇鶴詠春門正式成立信息發放。家師當天把帥旗交於本人，正式由第五傳轉給第 六傳傳承，跟著是文化交流。
當天莫師生亦全程在場觀禮，其怪他今天說無此事，晚上還有在厚德酒樓作宴，莫生還請了梁國華先生到來，李錦 榮師傅亦有到賀。

本人自2009年正式投入對本門推廣工作，一向低調，在港已獲政府非物質文化遺產，電影蛇鶴詠春顧問，每年 功夫文化交流於美國MBA課程，並在教導學生，新武俠寫作，AM730武健講場，研究本門功夫歷史等，去年 出了本紅船電子書，向世界推廣蛇鶴詠春。

莫生自2004年11月24日拜師入本門，其說其因帶技關係，以單腳跪地拜師，因天資聰敏，在2005年在 外教授蛇鶴詠春至今，但今天感慨地其帶技徒兒以雙腳跪地拜入蛇鶴詠春門，奇妙奇妙！在儀式中，並無蛇鶴詠春 同門，因他早已離開，只有其其他派別師兄弟，但莫生稱其師兄弟，但蛇鶴的，過往他只稱同門，是家師教導不好 ，還是別的原因，其他的他會稱師兄弟！最後，請問莫偉強先生過去10 年對本門又做了甚麼！莫生常掛在口邊，蛇鶴詠春是他打回來的，怎樣打！

本人從來沒有離開過師門，為何本人給家師的私人信件會在其手中，我也莫明其妙，我是否儍的！莫生還指我信中 駡師父，同門，指甚麼甚麼！我也想看看其信件內容寫的是甚麼，有沒有簽名，是否有離開師門之意！又怎樣指責 同門及其本人，其信件是來自我的Hotmail 戶口，我從無hotmail 帳戶，使我更奇怪！他在說甚麼。還有，他在面書還說有很多很多我的文件，若本門出對其聲明信就公開更多我的 文件，更令我莫明其妙！

香港有法，不是你有幾點水就可胡作非為，若在不知情下你擁有我個人文件，是盜竊，若真的是本人信件（已被公 開），還有，你聲稱手頭還有更多將公開，是嚴重侵犯個人私隱。相信你不會不認識香港法例！

最後希望莫生仿照Chi Bun Lau (Allen Lau) 劉生做法，完滿地把事情作句號！否則問問你的法律顧問。同時、劉生不要再有任何小動作，忍耐是 有
限的,你是否要像你師兄 張鴻勝 挑別人事，抬高自己，須知你是鴻勝蔡李佛，永春及蛇形刁手門，不是本門人士。98xx91xx .

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對話開始於9月9日
Chi Bun Lau
2014-9-09 9:03
Chi Bun Lau
翁師傅, 對不起, 我失言, 對閣下及貴會做成之麻煩, 深感歉意. 請諒. chi bun LAU
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Wayne Yung
2014-9-09 21:18
Wayne Yung
劉生，代人出頭要小心事情背後，否則真是自找麻煩，回不倒頭，你已不是第一位。請看昨夜掛的源 頭因素就楚
9月10日看過
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在此事中，柯宗師相當掛念我！你好努力！

溫馨提示，所有在面書曾做過的都會被紀錄下來包括刪除、修改等，內容依然傳在，法律可追究的！

[ccwayne]

Next time as you like to bring something bad on me from facebood here, make sure it is getting proved. Or you can just simply leaving message here to ask people to go to facebook.

1. This can see how you behave, like a kid to complain to the teacher(public)

2. It also show you that you are free to go to everywhere daily, HK, China, Taiwan, SEA, US to seek your target and spread your emei ykwc seed.

3. How many accounts you owned in this KFO forums ? we already know you have many. How many you have in HK kungfuboard ? How many you have in HK, China, Taiwan, SEA ? Sometimes you uses different accoutns to question and other accounts to answer to spread your emeie stories.

What this guy is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Minghequan]

It seems everyone is posting their proof except Grandmaster Hendrik & Co!

[anerlich]

Proof? All I see are pictures of two fat Asian guys with some flags.

[Minghequan]

Really? I see some of the most respected Chinese Martial Arts stylists in the world. If only one would open their eyes and see anew!

[dlcox]

YOU ALL HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THIS THREAD ENTIRELY

None of you can resist the urge to boast and brag about meaningless drivel while at the same time refusing to recognize or acknowledge the elephant in the room, the very elephant you came to discuss. You're clueless and I've wasted way too much of my time with a group of self righteous cynics and hippocrites who pretend to have way more experience and knowledge than they truely hold.

Best of luck to you, I'm out.